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EFFORTPOST 'Chechclear' unclear story, going back to 2000 book

I know you mostly saw it, I know it's widely-covered... but apparently rarely also covered with more details and not being YT video. TL;DR: the one 'new' lead is only newly surfaced (info was in book from 2000), and comes from the same source as only 'official' mentions of chechclear we knew we had. Apart from this one, most of content relating to chechclear is either irrelevant or vague. Many of these explanations are still 'alive' since at least 2004.

Thanks @Balls444 for hints! ;] We had a post describing what I included in first section here, now deleted (account banned). Research credits for that go to Reddit user thecupfrom2girls1cup, who did a good job. From what he wrote, his findings weren't mentioned in that WPD post as his. He recently commented on disapproval of both that deleted WPD post and its author (for various reasons). That's why I mention that nickname right at the beginning.

⠀⠀NOT NEW, BUT RESURFACED BACKGROUND INFO - AND ONLY 'OFFICIAL' ONE :marseyexcited:

Chechclear is linked to a series of executions from Chechnya, not videotaped. It's 1998 case of abduction and execution of foreign engineers - one from New Zealand, three British. They were kidnapped by Arbi Barayev (nicknamed Terminator) and his man. At the time they were also holding captive Andrei Tedyev (Андрей Тедеев probably) - around 24 yo gangster involved in oil smuggling. Kidnapped engineers weren't sure about how serious Barayev is, so Andrei got slaughtered as a proof that these Chechen kidnappers aren't joking. Here's the case itself, if you're interested in something not gory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_abduction_of_foreign_engineers_in_Chechnya

Stillshots from chechclear were shown in Чечня. Белая книга, or 'Chechenya. White Book' (in some catalogues it's 'White Paper'), 2nd volume. That monograph on Chechen war was published in 2000. Above link between 1998 incident and chechclear also comes from this book. I previously knew about the photos without Reddit, but didn't go through few hundred pages of text because of quite low Russian language skills. This story was first given wider attention on Reddit by user thecupfrom2girls1cup, with whose help this video was made: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fNO5KD2wGJk (this is just YouTube front-end, for these 'not gonna clicking that'). He also shared research on other videos with Disturbed Reality.

Here are stillshots:

https://i.watchpeopledie.tv/images/16841387777502887.webp

Description says:

Another one documenting video made by killers themselves. This is how non-humans dealt with those who got into their hands. According to data from Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, 1815 people were abducted in Chechnya between 1992 and 2000. Bandit groups specializing in taking hostages were led mainly by former commanders - Basayev, Hattab, Barayev, Umarov, Bakyev and Ahmadov brothers.

Video for reference:

Here's longer comment from thecupfrom2girls1cup https://old.reddit.com/r/ClassicDepravities/comments/x8b3be/comment/iyhaeyq/?sort=controversial I recommend reading it, he did really good job - including reaching out people directly involved in some events in Chechnya and mentioned book's author - and describes why he still isn't 100% sure about victim identity.

⠀⠀EARLY SPECULATIONS - FROM 1999 TO 2006 (until Ogrish went down) :marseyquestion:

Now, online speculations time. I've found mentions of chechclear in very few articles - without name, but either described enough to be sure or undetailed, but likely matching (time, context). They were analizing extremism-related beheading videos being released online as a phenomenon etc. However, I won't link them as despite they were technically scientific articles there was nothing for confirmation. So no valuable info.

One comment from Ogrish - by user Hugh.G.Rection, 4th of November 2004 - was source of reportedly correct story for years. It still is mentioned in various videos, up to 2022. Link at the end:

Although this has been mentioned in passing before, I thought I'd take this opportunity to restate that the Chechen guerilla featured cutting the head off the Russian soldier in the infamous <chechclear> clip is named Salautdin Temirbulatov.</chechclear>

Temirbulatov, notorious in Chechnya for brutality practiced towards POWs, was arrested on 20th March, 2000. In 1996 Russia's office of prosecutor general charged him with murder and banditry, and on 15th February, 2001, Temirbulatov was indicted on charges of torture and murder. Presiding Judge Mukhamed Olmezov said Temirbulatov was "exceptionally dangerous for society" and that he "deserves the death penalty." But citing a decision by Russia's Constitutional Court that only juries can impose the death penalty, Olmezov sentenced Temirbulatov to life in prison.

The <chechclear> clip is one of three executions carried out on the same day by Temirbulatov. Russian secret services have a video tape filming the questioning of four Russian servicemen outside the town of Komsomolskoye on April 12, 1996. Temirbulatov himself shot two of them and then cut the throat of the third serviceman, an un-named 18 year-old conscript to the Russian army.</chechclear>

According to Russia's Channel 2, the clip was bought in September 1999 by the Russian media. Channel 2 was the only station to air this clip in its entirety.

The full video begins with a bearded Chechen guerrilla (Temirbulatov) kneeling on the back of a panicked 18 year-old Russian soldier. There then follows the bloody action that we see in "our" clip. The grotesque video ends with Temirbulatov holding the severed head up to the camera, laughing.

I wanted to trace down earliest possible mention, problem is: Russia didn't have Channel 2 in 1999. Россия-2 didn't exist back then. It may be reference to Россия-1 (Russia-1), as it's Channel 2 in DDTV system and some former names match. I didn't see any specific mention on what documentary it was. Short version with cuts - so longest we currently have - was included in documentary Чечня ХХ век. Террор. Все за други своя ('Chechnya, 20th century. Terror. All for your friends'), but it's 2001 movie. It also depicted other known scenes, including OFEX.

What versions we had that could be better-known (on websites that were popular, not every possible to find)?

Quoting same comment from thecup...:

I have never seen a 5 min version, but there is a slightly longer version that was passed around on KaZaa called 01_5.mpg that was merged with a quick clip of the treestump video. It WAS available on ogrish at one stage.

That's true, but also trace is still available (links at the end). At last in April 2001 there were 2 versions of chechclear on Ogrish:

  1. 01_5.mpg as a link to file hosted on http://chechnya.ru (1.3 MB)

  2. longer black and white version, cutthroat.asf (381 kB)

KaZaa probably had the first file from the same website. It started in March 2001, and first online mention I've found with link to 01_5.mpg is from February 2001.

Fun fact: 01_5.mpg possibly got someone into trouble, as New Zealand's Office of Film and Literature Classification in 2009 added it to register. Tl;dr: because it 'promotes and supports the infliction of extreme violence and extreme cruelty' and other bullshit you know because of Christchurch video and NZ gov drama. https://archive.org/details/office-of-film-and-literature-classification_802049/mode/2up

Among other versions was e.g. 'Unknown Russian soldier' (hosted on Nausea, mentioned on Ogrish forum) - shortened, black and white, around 8 seconds of actual gore. You can find it, and more Chechen clips, here https://web.archive.org/web/20051028085015/http://thenausea.com:80/elements/Chechenya/ (it's index of files). I've came across another one described only as 'Unknown Russian soldier' which was, like 01_5.mpg, poor-quality Chechclear fragment and tree stump execution. Filename was different, I randomly found it and deleted about week or two ago, didn't know it's something 'lost'/rare (https://archived.moe/b/thread/653426251).

Chechclear.asf was 1.17 MB video considered best version available on Ogrish (you have it in this post unwatermarked).

⠀⠀RANDOM COMMENTS :marseyunamused:

Post didn't include most prominent false leads, which I may change in some edit, if you're interested. People were messing this case up with Tukchar massacre or OFEX at least from 2004, and combining that with unrelated Yevgeny Rodionov death and 'people who remember a bit longer version'. Same goes for WarLord47 contributions on LiveLeak and search for alleged longer version, apart from how valid reason would it be to take any gore stuff down because of DMCA. It seems it'd be possible to make post about things being anything but chechclear.

In 2009, now non-existent website jArchive (Jihad Archive) posted full version of Tukhchar, apparently unwatermarked. Original links to http://archive.org don't work anymore, only few re-uploads exist.

https://i.watchpeopledie.tv/images/16841387787400358.webp

The good-quality version was first posted on LL by WarLord47, so I guess they could have got it from there. I think if it was in the most viewed (or viewed now) category, then if that legendary longer chechclear was uploaded they should get it, and for sure it would be top few watched videos. Especially that website is from around 2010, so already it was well-known video.

After going through multiple Ogrish forum threads (can link some archived in comments), and not only, it seems that:

  1. In 2004 people already were 'remembering they saw a longer version' (more than ~20 seconds at max), but not providing any proofs. It means that's going on for nearly 20 years now, and at least to 2022 still no one claimed the same, but with giving proofs.

  2. Speculations about connections to events from 12th of April 1996 were made independently or roughly at the same time as the now best-known 2004 post from Hugh.G.Rection.

  3. Although this post mentioned specific time and channel, others' posts mentioned belief about full version stored somewhere in Russian archives. It means: that belief apparently is still alive nearly 20 years later, but it could appear separately from above-mentioned post. Few storylines seem to be half a legend, for which people later were just finding 'confirmations', despite they emerged from other .

⠀⠀SOURCES (skipped some) :marseysalutepride:

Reddit comments linked in text.

  1. White Book - pirated, obviously ;]

  2. https://beyondhighbrow.com/2019/10/22/nsfw-repost-chechclear/ (linked forum post: https://web.archive.org/web/20100306181629/http://flamevault.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33863 ) - here is description of what was considered to be most accurate background(s) for chechclear, but actually wasn't. So other scenarios/speculations for interested ones, not included in post as basically it's story of everything but chechclear.

  3. Early mentiones, February/April 2001: https://web.archive.org/web/20010419072128/http://www.ogrish.com/chechnya.htm and https://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=982331604

  4. Widely quoted posts from Hugh.G.Rection https://web.archive.org/web/20041104213409/http://forum.ogrish.com/archive/index.php/t-16367.html

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the one "lost" pic of chechclear from 4chan was actually this video:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060824131906/http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/august/ogrish-dot-com-russian_cut_throat_1996.wmv

edit: I'm not warlord47 I just found it funny the username was available

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You mean pic or the joined video of two executions?

About the linked one. I think I remember this just out of the file name. Lovely sounds of struggle with cut throat!

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Holy shit, quality post and investigation!

:marseysalutepride:

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Not exactly my investigation, I was far too late for the party. But it seems that now gore communities lack effortposting and more detailed content either goes on Reddit or on YouTube, or both because collab. Quite sad, as it leaves tons of valuable content in places or communities when people don't get primarily spend time because they enjoy gore. They want to know things, but not always see them and sometimes just fucking whine over edgelords and degens sitting on websites like this.

We definitely need more informative content. Seems a bit weird after having break from all that stuff, that now there's gore on gore websites and gore info in non-gore communities. You all deserve better ;]

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Amazing post bro, I took a break from researching but I've found some really old archive links and I am ready to start the hunt up again. We should bump heads sometime. Hit me up on reddit.

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This article has a photo of the four missing engineers http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/244157.stm , the person in the chechclear video appears to look a lot like Darren Hickey IMO http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1215000/images/_1215350_chechheadtwo150.jpg .

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"It is a relief to have the feeling that they are finally coming home," said Mr Hickey's father, Eamonn, on Monday night. "We are still devastated but at least there will be a funeral after all."

So sad. They didn't deserve it.

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Another epic post viv!


https://i.postimg.cc/qqw8FnSR/drownedcarcass-2-6-2024.gif

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I’ve been seeing a lot of people talk about this case recently, I know it’s always been circling around but did it recently get new exposure or something?

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good post vivi

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Bro, idk wtf you are talking about, but seriously, TL;D Fucking R, bro, seriously.

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In case you had too much ganja to read: that's why I started putting tl;dr version in every opening paragraph of every longer post now :marseyfingerhearts:

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Too much ganja to read...? Have you never smoked weed before? Pretty sure the more you smoke the more you can read... It's lack of weed that makes me feel like I have other shit to do than read that much

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I've smoked, but was in no mood for reading then

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Interesting. When I get stoned I love to play games that involve mostly just reading dialogue and stuff. Right now I'm playing pentiment, but when I'm not high I'd rather be playing call of duty or overwatch or something like that

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:#carporeon:

Snapshots:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_abduction_of_foreign_engineers_in_Chechnya:

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fNO5KD2wGJk:

https://i.watchpeopledie.tv/images/16841400465972538.webp:

https://old.reddit.com/r/ClassicDepravities/comments/x8b3be/comment/iyhaeyq/?sort=controversial:

http://chechnya.ru:

https://archive.org/details/office-of-film-and-literature-classification_802049/mode/2up:

https://web.archive.org/web/20051028085015/http://thenausea.com:80/elements/Chechenya/:

https://archived.moe/b/thread/653426251:

http://archive.org:

https://i.watchpeopledie.tv/images/16841400478792634.webp:

https://beyondhighbrow.com/2019/10/22/nsfw-repost-chechclear/:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100306181629/http://flamevault.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33863:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010419072128/http://www.ogrish.com/chechnya.htm:

https://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=982331604:

https://web.archive.org/web/20041104213409/http://forum.ogrish.com/archive/index.php/t-16367.html:

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I'm pretty sure I have seen a longer version where you see a group of captives with armed men, with the victim from this video laying on the ground with a man on top of him. There is some talking and maybe someone was shot before the camera moved to the start of this clip. The beheading was a few meters away from the others.

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Yeah you're right, that's it.

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