I mean there’s a difference between being fully unable to breathe and slowly being asphyxiated. There is more than one documented instance of people repeatedly and loudly saying they can’t breathe, then dying of asphyxiation despite being able to speak in the moment.
Some examples I can think of is the little girl killed during “rebirthing therapy”(can’t remember her name but it’ll probably show up if you Google that term). And that guy whose girlfriend zipped him up in a suitcase to die and filmed him loudly protesting he couldn’t breathe. Eric Garner was a man who died being restrained by cops in a chokehold despite being able to say he couldn’t breathe. It does happen
I had never heard of "rebirthing therapy" before and wanted to know more about the girl. Sure enough this poor child was basically suffocated and tortured for over an hour. I'll add the link I found on the story if anyone wants to read.
2 years ago, i was saying "i cant breathe" over and over again. Basically chanting it. I was in respiratory failure and spent a week on a vent in ICU. But i could still talk.
Do you know what a ventilator is? Also they were in an ICU, that's like telling someone who had a heart attack that it's not that bad because they survived it
You can still breathe and asphyxiate. If you can't take a full breath, your body isn't getting enough oxygen. Under stress, the heart requires more oxygen than normal. If you don't get enough oxygen, you will lose consciousness and die.
I don't think he had any felonies but he had 44 misdemeanors after looking into it he got charged with a felony but was able to plead down to a misdemeanor the guy was a menace fucking up old people and kidnapping children he definitely shouldn't have been on the street I don't think he should have been In Jail tho seems like he either needed to be in a psyche ward or full on mental institution
I should have just said charges because most of the time they would be knocked down to misdemeanors because he was black. In normal states most violet crimes are felonies.
Read the article that’s linked. The guy who got choked out had numerous prior arrests for offenses including assault, disorderly conduct and fare beating. He was going to meet the wrong person one day. Today was that day.
Beware people with criminal histories and/or mental illness - if you are "acting erratically", you are fair game for a vigilante killing, and people on the Internet will applaud your death!
Nope, not saying that. You did. He was a known criminal who habitually assaulted people. Keyword is assault. Fuck around with the wrong person and find out. People do carry guns as well. Surprised he wasn’t shot sooner tbh.
I’m tired of people saying this. As in what system? The government? Be specific instead of saying ‘the system’. Obscure ass phrase that people like to spout off without any details, because they want to rabble with the crowd. Another one, ‘The man is holding me down’. The fuck?!?
It’s the US, and freedom exists here to give everyone a chance to become great. I’m speaking not in perceived greatness of wealth and power. Even garbage men can be great in perspective.
There are also two sides to this freedom coin. Become great, or fuck around and find out the polar opposite. This guy chose fucktard and found out.
I’m liberal, but I’m tired of other liberals giving everyone a bad name. You extreme lefts think it’s everyone’s fault but your own. Nobody is forcing a bad situation in some made up ‘system’. You deal with the consequences of your actions. Tired of this pussy ‘poor me’ attitude amongst a growing group of adults.
So are white trash like you who, despite every advantage, can't seem to crawl your way out of the trailer park. The most pathetic type of person on the planet are white trash. Go smoke meth and fuck your mom/sister
I upvoted you bc I agree with you but in this case I think he met the wrong person on the wrong day he decided to walk into a subway car and threaten everyone.
Kind of like it would be better off without pathetic white trash maggots like yourself. There is nothing more pathetic than a white trailer trash maggot who can't, even with all the advantages given to whites, manage to crawl his way out of his pathetic life in the trailer park. Fucking sad as hell. Now go do meth and fuck your sister/cousin.
You can clearly see in the video that the guy in the black jacket is checking his pulse the entire time. He also tells the off-camera voice that the blonde Marine "is not squeezing him"
Interesting, was half awake and didn't even pay attention to that guy. He does let go of the guy while he is still moving however, so I disagree his pulse was checked "the entire time".
I had to watch it a few times to get a gist of what's going on with everyone there. I still don't understand half of the things the off camera guy said. His wife is an army nurse? I know he thought Neely "defecated" and the black hat guy says "no, that (the stain on the jeans) is old, it was there"
I can’t tell what point you’re making lol but everyone just quietly watched him die. It’s too bad no one thought to tell him to lay off his neck and just get people to 4 pt him instead. Those guys just threw away their own lives too.
Edit: I’m reading that he wasn’t charged, but he has to live with this for the rest of his life and it’s on film. That’s life changing for everyone involved.
I edited my comment because I saw you shared more details. I didn’t see the guy before he was restrained, I’m not even giving a bleeding heart argument for him, I just think they were incredibly stupid to not think he would die. It’s foolish of us to think just to think he didn’t get put in jail that his whole entire life changed after this. Every job he gets, people he meets etc this might follow him for the rest of his life. Some people are more resilient than others. Some people suffer from depression and kill themselves, others do fine. It’s still a life altering decision/event.
I just think they were incredibly stupid to not think he would die.
Why would they think he would die? The guy who had him by the neck is clearly trained in grappling, probably Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Do you know how many times you get choked like this in training? Deaths are exceptionally rare. He wasn't even choking him, he was just controlling him- I think the man in the black clothing is also trained, based on the grip he takes on the dead moron's arms (a Kimura hold). Everyone seemed to be in agreement that "This guy's a problem, we'll all just keep him under control till the cops show up and take care of him."
Just watch, the autopsy will uncover that he had some kind of heart condition, or that he was on a nasty cocktail of drugs (which would explain his frenzied behavior). It wasn't the choke itself that killed him, I'd wager- it was probably a heart attack. The choke wasn't on him nearly long enough to choke him to death. In the beginning of the video, he's not even being properly choked- he's got his head turned into the choking arm, so there's no bloodflow restriction at that moment.
At most, the choke was applied for about 1 minute- and not consecutively, it'd be like 15 seconds of choking, guy squirms out of it and fights for 10 seconds, guy puts the squeeze on again, etc..
Using that technique (sleeper hold, or rear naked choke) on an untrained person, you can put someone to sleep in about 7-15 seconds. If you release them as they pass out, they'll wake up after a few seconds. The danger from these chokes comes from holding onto them for a long time after the guy is passed out. It takes a long time to strangle a person to death.
You are wrong. A trained BJJ player knows that what that guy did is strangle him, not choke him out. Go learn about blood chokes vs strangulation. He had his air blocked for about 3 minutes.
I'm a trained MMA fighter. I'm not great, but I can tell you that the guys in this video were being extremely gentle with the guy, just controlling him. The blonde guy is a skilled grappler, he's choked and been choked many times- he knows how to apply it safely (you actually protect your opponent's trachea when using this technique, because it's a blood-choke, not a wind-choke) and what it feels like when someone goes out. The choke wasn't even being applied throughout the whole video. Again, it would take about 10 seconds to put a man to sleep with that choke. He's thrashing around and shit all the way through the video, finally goes limp while not being choked.
I think the guy's heart gave out on him, from over-exertion and probably drugs or an underlying condition. There's nothing I saw in this video where a healthy young man would suddenly die. It takes a long, long time to strangle someone to death, certainly longer than 2 minutes. After they pass out, you'd have to keep choking- after about a minute, brain damage starts forming, after about 2 minutes you're looking at permanent brain damage. It can take a fucking half hour to fully strangle someone dead, while trying to kill them.
Arteries and veins have a texture much like garden hose. If you pinch it, you can cut off the flow, but as soon as you release it, it pours right through. The arm around the neck was simply a control mechanism. The guy was actually defending against the choke, turning his head to his left into the arm that would be choking him (this alleviates a ton of pressure). So, you'll see the guy sort of settle down as a little blood flow is reduced, then the blonde guy adjusts his arms, and suddenly the frenzied guy is thrashing around again- that split second of full blood-flow was enough to wake him up and send him back into w/e frenzied state he was already in.
Wanna have a little fun, make this interesting? I'll bet you 1,000 coins that the cause of death will not be strangulation. Anyone else want in on this action?
Thank you 😊 looks like the guy was charged with manslaughter, so all of these NPCs downvoting me because they were high in their emotions can suck my ass.
People survive disasters and have survivors guilt. I never understood that because I’ve never been in that situation but I always found it strange. It’s funny how many people are downvoting me when it’s a fact that this event changed everyone’s life. Especially how people can be judgmental and the race thing, because he’s a white dude that killed a black dude. I guess all of the edgelords forgot about race riots when black dudes were wasted by cops and whole cities burned.
He hasn’t been charged YET. It took months for charges to be filed in the Ahmaud Arbery case, and they’re rotting in prison for life.
You gotta understand that a lot of the people on this site have wet dreams about being able to murder a stranger & get away with it, mostly as a result of being saturated in rightwing propaganda…it’s a historical cycle that’s happened over and over again, all over the world.
As long as the justice system continues to hold these psychotic “vigilantes” accountable in a majority of cases, we’ll be okay.
Vigilantes are supposed to kill criminals, not mentally ill unhoused people who don’t present a real threat…even if they do have a long rap sheet full the kind of petty crimes that are inherent to living life on the streets for extended periods of time.
The problem for these edgy rightwing losers is that people generally want to do the right thing, or at least appear to be righteous. So, regardless of their politics, they generally recoil in disgust when they witness a young man slowly asphyxiate an old, mentally ill homeless person over the course of 15 minutes for the crime of being a vaguely-menacing nuisance, while everyone else lets him do it.
It offends the sense of honor to see such a lopsided fight ending in a senseless death, and no amount of vitriolic, bigoted propaganda can change that instinctual response.
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Notice how he wasn't screaming "I can't breathe" over and over again? That's because he actually couldn't breathe
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I mean there’s a difference between being fully unable to breathe and slowly being asphyxiated. There is more than one documented instance of people repeatedly and loudly saying they can’t breathe, then dying of asphyxiation despite being able to speak in the moment.
Some examples I can think of is the little girl killed during “rebirthing therapy”(can’t remember her name but it’ll probably show up if you Google that term). And that guy whose girlfriend zipped him up in a suitcase to die and filmed him loudly protesting he couldn’t breathe. Eric Garner was a man who died being restrained by cops in a chokehold despite being able to say he couldn’t breathe. It does happen
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I had never heard of "rebirthing therapy" before and wanted to know more about the girl. Sure enough this poor child was basically suffocated and tortured for over an hour. I'll add the link I found on the story if anyone wants to read.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1174742/
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2 years ago, i was saying "i cant breathe" over and over again. Basically chanting it. I was in respiratory failure and spent a week on a vent in ICU. But i could still talk.
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yup, and here you are, alive. because you could breath. if you couldnt breathe, you would be dead. glad u understand
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Do you know what a ventilator is? Also they were in an ICU, that's like telling someone who had a heart attack that it's not that bad because they survived it
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You're kind of a dumbass. Glad u understand.
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You can be strangled from the back and still be able to utter words. Learn anatomy.
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Man you must be one special fruit. Your vocal cords work by air. Must I say Stupid? or Retarded. Either or fit.
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Actually it’s vibrations but ok little guy
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Ok lol both. You cant speak anything if you dont have air in ur lungs to exhale.
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You can still breathe and asphyxiate. If you can't take a full breath, your body isn't getting enough oxygen. Under stress, the heart requires more oxygen than normal. If you don't get enough oxygen, you will lose consciousness and die.
Stay in school.
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Positional asphyxia would like to have a word with you
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Naww.
Cities gotta burn (in a mostly peaceful fashion) for this.
He was oppressed.
Whitey been keepin' him down his whole life.
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All his violent assaults what because of whitey. He was so oppressed he couldn’t stop getting felonies.
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Forcing knuckle dragging savages to try to abide by civilized standards is wrong.
Drags us down, gives them genetically impossible false hope.
How frustrating...
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I don't think he had any felonies but he had 44 misdemeanors after looking into it he got charged with a felony but was able to plead down to a misdemeanor the guy was a menace fucking up old people and kidnapping children he definitely shouldn't have been on the street I don't think he should have been In Jail tho seems like he either needed to be in a psyche ward or full on mental institution
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What felonies?
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I should have just said charges because most of the time they would be knocked down to misdemeanors because he was black. In normal states most violet crimes are felonies.
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bankers convinced our nation to blame class disparities on "le skin color" its so stupid
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Nigga are you serious
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Thats because GF had his blood circulation stop to his brain not his oxygen you goof.
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Ummmm……..he died
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You are a retard.
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i know your motivation, fucker.
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Yeah, I bet it sucks to not see the same narrative you see of dick sucking BIPOCs all day on Reddit.
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You got a massage chip on your shoulder. Go seek therapy or a Neo Nzi group to fit in there bubba.
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wtf are you talking about? Not everyone who doesnt think like you is a nazi. Fucking retard. You inbred whitey.
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there's that motivation again.
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Read the article that’s linked. The guy who got choked out had numerous prior arrests for offenses including assault, disorderly conduct and fare beating. He was going to meet the wrong person one day. Today was that day.
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Choked to death over fare beating? Fuck off
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Beware people with criminal histories and/or mental illness - if you are "acting erratically", you are fair game for a vigilante killing, and people on the Internet will applaud your death!
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Nope, not saying that. You did. He was a known criminal who habitually assaulted people. Keyword is assault. Fuck around with the wrong person and find out. People do carry guns as well. Surprised he wasn’t shot sooner tbh.
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How the hell would they know about his prior arrests tho. Not saying he was innocent but still.
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Don’t have to know about his prior arrests. Karma kicked in for him. His prior arrests also help the guy who did the choke hold to not be charged yet.
https://apnews.com/article/subway-chokehold-new-york-87807c40386707ed665cfbfb339e08f9
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Their occupations are described as "US Marine veteran" and "local Michael Jackson impersonator". Why do I find that funny?
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That's not even a deciding factor. Nobody knew. Death is death. The most he would probably get is a charge for manslaughter
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I mean…if you’re a mentally ill criminal, you ARE dangerous and bad for the general public to be around, so don’t be surprised 🤷
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Plus, he was a Michael Jackson impersonator
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Yes. No one likes criminals. No one likes mentally ill people. They are annoying and a burden at best and a danger and menace at worst.
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That's why they need help but the system fucked them over
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I’m tired of people saying this. As in what system? The government? Be specific instead of saying ‘the system’. Obscure ass phrase that people like to spout off without any details, because they want to rabble with the crowd. Another one, ‘The man is holding me down’. The fuck?!?
It’s the US, and freedom exists here to give everyone a chance to become great. I’m speaking not in perceived greatness of wealth and power. Even garbage men can be great in perspective.
There are also two sides to this freedom coin. Become great, or fuck around and find out the polar opposite. This guy chose fucktard and found out.
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You really don't know what you're talking about do you.
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I countered your statement and that’s your rebuttal? I guess the system let you down too, huh?
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You really don't know what you're talking about. Stop reciting Stormfront NeoN rhetoric.
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What did anything I say have to do with Nazis?
I’m liberal, but I’m tired of other liberals giving everyone a bad name. You extreme lefts think it’s everyone’s fault but your own. Nobody is forcing a bad situation in some made up ‘system’. You deal with the consequences of your actions. Tired of this pussy ‘poor me’ attitude amongst a growing group of adults.
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That sounds like that isn't my problem. If you are a danger to me or others, prepare to get put down. 🤷🏽♀️ This is what asylums were for
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So are white trash like you who, despite every advantage, can't seem to crawl your way out of the trailer park. The most pathetic type of person on the planet are white trash. Go smoke meth and fuck your mom/sister
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being on a gore site getting up in arms about a violent bum dying is just funny
is it sad? sure. is it really worth getting that worked up over? only if you're a retard
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I upvoted you bc I agree with you but in this case I think he met the wrong person on the wrong day he decided to walk into a subway car and threaten everyone.
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The way it should be done
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By People, you mean rednecks and guys who root for the bad guys in Mississippi burning and A time to kill. Like you.
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He can’t choke if he’s dead. Roll him on his back and do cpr..they’re fucking morons
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Why would anyone want to revive human garbage?
The world is better without scum like that.
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You could race them in some sort of human-garbage-race?
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Kind of like it would be better off without pathetic white trash maggots like yourself. There is nothing more pathetic than a white trailer trash maggot who can't, even with all the advantages given to whites, manage to crawl his way out of his pathetic life in the trailer park. Fucking sad as hell. Now go do meth and fuck your sister/cousin.
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And good that these important life-and-death decisions are made by… checks notes… random people on the subway
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Isn't that kinda what a jury trial is?
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They aren't even smart enough to check for a pulse, you really think they're capable of CPR?
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You can clearly see in the video that the guy in the black jacket is checking his pulse the entire time. He also tells the off-camera voice that the blonde Marine "is not squeezing him"
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Interesting, was half awake and didn't even pay attention to that guy. He does let go of the guy while he is still moving however, so I disagree his pulse was checked "the entire time".
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I had to watch it a few times to get a gist of what's going on with everyone there. I still don't understand half of the things the off camera guy said. His wife is an army nurse? I know he thought Neely "defecated" and the black hat guy says "no, that (the stain on the jeans) is old, it was there"
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How are people this dumb
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Fucked around. Found out.
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This
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I know. Who goes around threatening strangers? Thank Gott blondo McMustache hugged him to death.
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You’re out of your mind
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I can’t tell what point you’re making lol but everyone just quietly watched him die. It’s too bad no one thought to tell him to lay off his neck and just get people to 4 pt him instead. Those guys just threw away their own lives too.
Edit: I’m reading that he wasn’t charged, but he has to live with this for the rest of his life and it’s on film. That’s life changing for everyone involved.
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I'm mostly being sarcastic. Shame he died. But I mean the whole train was on this dude so he was obviously harassing the whole car.
Also how did they throw away their lives? No charges were filed.
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Is it really a shame he died? Some people are just net negatives to society—it’s ok to admit it’s not a shame when some people die.
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Agreed, but a life lost is still a son/brother/friend lost for someone out there. I'm sure someone is mourning his death.
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I edited my comment because I saw you shared more details. I didn’t see the guy before he was restrained, I’m not even giving a bleeding heart argument for him, I just think they were incredibly stupid to not think he would die. It’s foolish of us to think just to think he didn’t get put in jail that his whole entire life changed after this. Every job he gets, people he meets etc this might follow him for the rest of his life. Some people are more resilient than others. Some people suffer from depression and kill themselves, others do fine. It’s still a life altering decision/event.
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Why would they think he would die? The guy who had him by the neck is clearly trained in grappling, probably Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Do you know how many times you get choked like this in training? Deaths are exceptionally rare. He wasn't even choking him, he was just controlling him- I think the man in the black clothing is also trained, based on the grip he takes on the dead moron's arms (a Kimura hold). Everyone seemed to be in agreement that "This guy's a problem, we'll all just keep him under control till the cops show up and take care of him."
Just watch, the autopsy will uncover that he had some kind of heart condition, or that he was on a nasty cocktail of drugs (which would explain his frenzied behavior). It wasn't the choke itself that killed him, I'd wager- it was probably a heart attack. The choke wasn't on him nearly long enough to choke him to death. In the beginning of the video, he's not even being properly choked- he's got his head turned into the choking arm, so there's no bloodflow restriction at that moment.
At most, the choke was applied for about 1 minute- and not consecutively, it'd be like 15 seconds of choking, guy squirms out of it and fights for 10 seconds, guy puts the squeeze on again, etc..
Using that technique (sleeper hold, or rear naked choke) on an untrained person, you can put someone to sleep in about 7-15 seconds. If you release them as they pass out, they'll wake up after a few seconds. The danger from these chokes comes from holding onto them for a long time after the guy is passed out. It takes a long time to strangle a person to death.
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You are wrong. A trained BJJ player knows that what that guy did is strangle him, not choke him out. Go learn about blood chokes vs strangulation. He had his air blocked for about 3 minutes.
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I think clamping your arm down on a strangers arteries/veins in the neck for an extended amount of time is incredibly stupid, which is why he died.
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Hey Bunny, it's me, BloodyComet.
I'm a trained MMA fighter. I'm not great, but I can tell you that the guys in this video were being extremely gentle with the guy, just controlling him. The blonde guy is a skilled grappler, he's choked and been choked many times- he knows how to apply it safely (you actually protect your opponent's trachea when using this technique, because it's a blood-choke, not a wind-choke) and what it feels like when someone goes out. The choke wasn't even being applied throughout the whole video. Again, it would take about 10 seconds to put a man to sleep with that choke. He's thrashing around and shit all the way through the video, finally goes limp while not being choked.
I think the guy's heart gave out on him, from over-exertion and probably drugs or an underlying condition. There's nothing I saw in this video where a healthy young man would suddenly die. It takes a long, long time to strangle someone to death, certainly longer than 2 minutes. After they pass out, you'd have to keep choking- after about a minute, brain damage starts forming, after about 2 minutes you're looking at permanent brain damage. It can take a fucking half hour to fully strangle someone dead, while trying to kill them.
Arteries and veins have a texture much like garden hose. If you pinch it, you can cut off the flow, but as soon as you release it, it pours right through. The arm around the neck was simply a control mechanism. The guy was actually defending against the choke, turning his head to his left into the arm that would be choking him (this alleviates a ton of pressure). So, you'll see the guy sort of settle down as a little blood flow is reduced, then the blonde guy adjusts his arms, and suddenly the frenzied guy is thrashing around again- that split second of full blood-flow was enough to wake him up and send him back into w/e frenzied state he was already in.
Wanna have a little fun, make this interesting? I'll bet you 1,000 coins that the cause of death will not be strangulation. Anyone else want in on this action?
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I'll take that bet!
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He’s dead now. Idk what there is to debate about. What they did caused his death.
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A lot of words to tell us you don't what wtf you're talking about. Too long didn't read or waste time.
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I'm sure they'll all be fine.
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He was just charged for manslaughter
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You have some sense good man or lady, I like you
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Thank you 😊 looks like the guy was charged with manslaughter, so all of these NPCs downvoting me because they were high in their emotions can suck my ass.
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Yeah maybe, only if he has a conscience.
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People survive disasters and have survivors guilt. I never understood that because I’ve never been in that situation but I always found it strange. It’s funny how many people are downvoting me when it’s a fact that this event changed everyone’s life. Especially how people can be judgmental and the race thing, because he’s a white dude that killed a black dude. I guess all of the edgelords forgot about race riots when black dudes were wasted by cops and whole cities burned.
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Nobody cares if black people burn down democrat cities sorry maybe you should move somewhere you’re allowed to defend yourself
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My point was already said, not getting into whatever you’re trying to lead me into.
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Your point is let black people break the law or they will break the law even more. You’re a moron
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Lol… no. What the fuck did you read?
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He hasn’t been charged YET. It took months for charges to be filed in the Ahmaud Arbery case, and they’re rotting in prison for life.
You gotta understand that a lot of the people on this site have wet dreams about being able to murder a stranger & get away with it, mostly as a result of being saturated in rightwing propaganda…it’s a historical cycle that’s happened over and over again, all over the world.
As long as the justice system continues to hold these psychotic “vigilantes” accountable in a majority of cases, we’ll be okay.
Vigilantes are supposed to kill criminals, not mentally ill unhoused people who don’t present a real threat…even if they do have a long rap sheet full the kind of petty crimes that are inherent to living life on the streets for extended periods of time.
The problem for these edgy rightwing losers is that people generally want to do the right thing, or at least appear to be righteous. So, regardless of their politics, they generally recoil in disgust when they witness a young man slowly asphyxiate an old, mentally ill homeless person over the course of 15 minutes for the crime of being a vaguely-menacing nuisance, while everyone else lets him do it.
It offends the sense of honor to see such a lopsided fight ending in a senseless death, and no amount of vitriolic, bigoted propaganda can change that instinctual response.
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He got charged. Better edit this ignorant comment that I didn't even read past the first ignorant sentence.
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