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Sad. And to think nearly all the people could have been alive today if there wasn’t a war going on. It’s just such a sad thing to think about.

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They are Corrupt and a bunch of Nazis so I don’t know why you’re saying that when in fact you should see this and be happy

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I don’t disagree that Ukraine is corrupt, but so is Russia. I’m wondering why you’re against them heading towards western checks and balances, rather than continuing on with Russian mafioso corruption? The fact that they’re striving to be western is them trying to pry themselves from Russian corruption.

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And both have their fair share of nazis, as most Western/European countries do… what makes them special? There are neo nazi organizations all over Europe. What makes Ukraine different.

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The difference between Russian and Ukrainian skinheads is , they exist in Russia, but in Ukraine they are heavily assimilated into the army and national guard/territory defense groups.

You can find videos of their rally’s and parades even on YouTube dating far back to before the war started in 2014.

This take is what got me my Reddit perma ban so I kinda expect to be called a Russian bot or Orc by anyone who sees this lmao, I’m aware the Kremlin and Russia as a whole are far from perfect like any country, but it’s hilarious when people try and claim Ukraine to be a “sovereign Democratic nation”.

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If nationalist Ukrainians want to be in Ukrainian army, national guard or defense groups that is their right, and their's alone. That's not for Russia to judge. Or for you for that matter. Ukrainians can do what they want in Ukraine. And Russians cannot.

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I agree, I just think that their desire to become more western is indicative of a desire to become less corrupt. I could be wrong, but that’s my interpretation.

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"I’m wondering why you’re against them heading towards western checks and balances"

There is precisely zero evidence that Ukraine was "heading towards Western checks and balances." Since the 2014 US-backed coup, Ukraine has become MORE fascist and MORE Nazi.

"rather than continuing on with Russian mafioso corruption?"

Except that Putin has for the most part rounded up and eliminated the Russian mafia like in Soviet times. You're describing 90's Russia, not modern Russia. It's a very different place. Now, Russia has a very strong central government and bureaucracy and intelligence apparatus that is able to exert control over remote republics within the Russian federation, which was not the case in the 90's. The Russian mafia now mostly operates in Western countries that can't just round them up and kill them/imprison them.

"The fact that they’re striving to be western"

If by "Western" you mean "sacrificial pawn" then that's just stupid of them. Like any pawn, they are being sacrificed, of course. In any case, Ukraine is not worth 1 American or European life, which should have given them a clue that they aren't equals, but merely pawns in a larger global chess game.

"is them trying to pry themselves from Russian corruption."

But it's not Russian corruption, it's Ukrainian corruption, which is why Russia can easily buy US made weapons on the black market in Ukraine. Ukraine's arms bazaar has existed since the Soviet Union fell, and Ukraine has also been the most corrupt country in Europe long before this war started.

Ukrainian oligarchs and politicians benefit from this war -- I don't dispute that. When it's over I suspect Zelensky will simply flee to his mansion in Miami, like the Shah of Iran.

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:#marseyjapanese:

Snapshots:

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Sending an little boy and an fat man there! <3

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ALL THAT I SEE, ABSOLUTE HORRORRR

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I CANNOT LIVE I CANNOT DIE

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Lol ukies getting dealt with

/chug/ wuz here

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