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This should be taught in schools and debated like adults. Death will come for us all and yet we refuse to have an adult conversation about the right to die with dignity and in peace.
160,000 people die a day, most of those from lingering disease that can’t be cured.
They deserve the options of a painless, swift exit from this life if they choose so.
Apologies for the grown-up talk, but I’m fucking sick of seeing the elderly needlessly suffering.
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Abortion is the best way to prevent suffering.
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For me, it's a difficult issue. On the one hand, a person's life is their own. Why should they not be allowed to choose? On the other hand, if the desire to die is a result of abnormal brain functioning that can be corrected so that they no longer wish to die, should we still allow them to do it?
I'm pro euthanasia in the cases of terminal illness for certain. No one should be forced to suffer to death. But, I'm less sure about it generally.
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I agree it needs to be approached with care. I personally think Canada’s latest approach to voluntary euthanasia actually goes too far and the requirements are far too lax, which endangers the mentally ill.
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I was about to say the same thing about Canada's absurd rollout of using this. One of the first victims of their "assisted suicide" program was that woman, who went undercover as a man for a year (or longer?) in order to write a book, proving that men have it so much easier than women.
She wrote the book, IDR what it's called, and she concluded that her original thesis was wrong, and that life is far easier for women, in general. Then, she fell into a horrible depression which she just couldn't shake... years later, she signed up for the assisted suicide, and got it.
No cancer, no horrific disease eating away at her body, no terrible maiming that left her unable to live a normal life- she was just really, really sad. And that fucking sucks, and I wish she would've gotten better help and learned to overcome it- IMO, the state is guilty of murder for carrying out the "assisted suicide" on her. She was depressed and struggling with other mental issues- someone in that state is in no position to make a decision like this, and the state/doctors should recognize this. She needed meds and therapy, NOT a lethal injection.
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I get what you're saying, but depression isn't really like a normal disease where meds + therapy will fix it, like antibiotics fix a bacterial infection. If only. A significant percentage of depressed people, despite being in treatment, will commit suicide by the dozens of other ways it is possible to do so.
Edit: The person you're thinking of is Norah Vincent, author of Self-Made Man, who said she had "treatment-resistant depression" and died by euthanasia in Switzerland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norah_Vincent#Personal_life,_views,_and_death
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The person you're referring to is Norah Vincent. She spent decades in treatment for severe mental illness and was institutionalized for years (also published a book about it). She did receive "meds and therapy" including treatments like ECT and TMS to no avail. What do you think should be done in cases such as this?
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As a Canadian and kinda pro euthanasia, IMO Canada's too lax. Mental illness should not be a cause for assisted suicide. If you have a terminal disease, that's another thing. Not if you are having a blue day, week, year or life.
When my FIL was dying of lung cancer that suddenly left him sick- we didn't even get to process any of it, not the diagnosis, or how quickly it would end- he went into the hospital on Tuesday, was put into the Palliative Care wing Friday, and was dead on Sunday by noon. It felt goddamn transactional. The daughter who had P.O.A made the decision to knock him out on Saturday night as he was expected to hemorrhage, so he died sedated without ever waking. He never got to say goodbye- it wasn't fair to him, I think she did it to spare herself. I'd make that decision for myself, but wouldn't want anyone else making it for me.
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I think you absolutely hit the nail on the head here. Props to you for being nuanced on a site like this!
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That's exactly how the government wants it. All those sickly people are on medications, paying hospitals and doctors and pharma companies thousands/millions of dollars. Old folks get stuck in a home for 10-20 years, having all of their money drained by the government to keep them in there. You are not allowed to die until every last bit of value has been milked out of you.
Source: Grandmother has alzheimers for over 10 years now and is sitting in an alzheimers home and assisted euthanasia is illegal and the government takes 98% of her pension for themselves for the 'priviledge' of keeping her alive in a prison cell for over a decade.
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No one prosecutes a corpse, so go ahead old folks, and off yourself if you dare.
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I think religion has a lot to do with it. For Christianity, the act of suicide raises a lot of questions about what happens after. Oddly enough, this isn't a problem if you're taking the Jihad route.
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Actually, the Quran is very clear that it is a sin to kill Yourself. Not only is it a sin for a Muslim to kill themselves, it is also a sin for a Muslim to kill someone else who has not been tried and found guilty of Murder. And even if they have been found guilty, it is up to the family of the victim whether the Murderer will be killed, or pardoned.
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For Christianity, it's ok to sin, as long as you're nice and ask Jesus for forgiveness. Killing violates one of the ten commandments, but if you do it to kill someone who deserves it, then surely you'll be forgiven for it.
But if you kill yourself, then you can't really ask for forgiveness cause you're dead. Maybe you can ask forgiveness beforehand? Well that's a dangling question. Also, killing yourself without good cause could be seen as a renunciation of faith. So more questions.
I'm not sure what exactly is happening in Jihad-land, other than I see lots of people shouting Allahu Akbar whenever death is present. I assume they have some way of fitting their actions into what the Quran says.
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True, I think most people believe whatever actions they commit have a justification, otherwise why would they do them. But I find You mistaken when it comes to Christianity. Jesus (SAW) himself said "Not everyone who calls on me will be saved" (paraphrased)
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I was sort of right or wrong depending on what certain words mean. Matthew 7:21-23:
I said sin is ok, so long as you're nice and ask for forgiveness. But there's some room for interpretation in what 'nice' means. The idea is that if you are truly sorry, then you meant to do God's will, but you just messed up. It goes beyond just being polite.
Unfortunately, there isn't a falsifiable definition of what "truly" means. It's pretty much based on feeling. Also, there isn't a good definition for what God actually wants, so that also depends on feeling. And that's why we go to war.
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If their only option is a 12ga then the state has failed them.
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