Photo from the thumbnail: on 29th of July, 1994 - two weeks after the genocide ended - a refugee is carrying his baby towards a mass grave. It died of cholera, like tens of thousands of people who have fled to the neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo.

Recently, some users have been complaining about the content here being 'not brutal enough' - well, not this time. If you don't want any reading and just want to see people dying or dead, go to the 2nd and 3rd section of this post.

tl;dr: In 1994, in Rwanda were 3 ethnic groups: Hutu (roughly 85% of the population), the Tutsi (14%), and the Twa (1%). The tensions between the first two were strengthened in the colonial period and escalating. In October 1990, a civil war started between the Rwanda Armed Forces (gov) and Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF; rebels). On 6th of April 1994, a plane approaching Kigali airport was taken down, with two presidents on board: Burundian and Rwandan, ethnically a Hutu. The blame was put on the Tutsis, giving a 'reason' to persecute them during a pre-planned genocide, lasting ~3 months. Two most often given numbers of victims killed are around 800,000 (UN) and ~1,000,000, of which ~94% were Tutsis (Rwandan gov). But the total number is far higher, including e.g. deaths due to health complications and cholera outbreaks among the refugees. Others weren't killed, but left either at risk (around 70% of rape victims being HIV-positive) or infertile due to genital mutilation.

Sections go as follows:

  1. Introduction and comment on the number of victims. Short videos here, relating to Rwandan president's death and French troops aware of the ongoing cleansing (which weren't the only ones - rest in text).

  2. Documenting the genocide. For now, there's a one footage showing the actual killing. Far more is available when it comes to the direct aftermath...

  3. ...which makes up the next section.

  4. Refugee crisis and the aftermath. Rwanda already had a refugee crisis, so it just got worse. Non-lethal methods of extermination are discussed here.

  5. Rape during the wartime and consequences long after. Here mostly text, for obvious reasons.

  6. Sources.


In 1994, in Rwanda were 3 ethnic groups: Hutu (roughly 85% of the population), the Tutsi (14%), and the Twa (1%). It's known that the divisions between the Hutu and Tutsi were initially fluid to some extent. Obtaining more cattle or wealth could allow a Hutu to become a Tutsi, and impoverished Tutsi could become Hutu. The divisions became more rigid during the Belgian colonial period and carried on after Rwanda gained independence (1962). By the majority rule, Hutu became the ones higher in hierarchy. Ethnicity was included in ID cards:

In October 1990, a civil war started between the Rwanda Armed Forces (gov side) and Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF; rebels side). On 6th of April 1994, a plane approaching Kigali airport was taken down, and among the victims were two presidents: Burundian and Rwandan. The second one, Juvenál Habyarimana, was ethnically a Hutu. The blame was put on the Tutsis, giving a 'reason' to persecute them. The genocide was pre-planned, though.

France24 news, 'French court rejects new probe into Rwandan President's 1994 death'. Shows both crash scene and some genocide victims, the rest is news info

Over the span of 3 months, between roughly 500,000 and 1,000,000 people were killed (of which ~200,000 were children). Rwandan official figures mention around 1 mln, with 94% being Tutsis (the rest were a moderate Hutus). UN gives the number of victims as 800,000, and one 2008 report bumps it to nearly 2 mln. However, there's an 'extended' number of victims - e.g. these who died shortly after due to the lack of medical care, or were infected by HIV (sometimes intentionally), or couldn't reproduce due to the mutilation of genitals. Statistics referring specifically to rape are included in the section dedicated to this.

It wasn't a surprise. A few months earlier, CIA knew that if nothing changes, things may escalate to the ethnic cleansings. As you will see in the next section, 'Documenting the genocide', the only footage showing actual killings were broadcasted by a few prominent agencies. Officials were receiving the warning signs. Intelligence reports obtained using the US Freedom of Information Act show that the cabinet, and probably also the president, were informed about the ethnic cleansings in planning (or already ongoing). When the killings have already started, UN troops - French and Belgian - knew this. They had to evacuate the foreigners, though.

'Video suggests French army turned blind eye on Rwanda massacre', France24 again.

About the warning signs, two longer quotes from The Guardian:

Shortly after the invasion, all Tutsis – whether RPF supporters or not – became targets of a vicious propaganda campaign that would bear hideous fruit in April 1994. Chauvinist Hutu newspapers, magazines and radio programmes began reminding Hutu audiences that they were the original occupants of the Great Lakes region and that Tutsis were Nilotics – supposedly warlike pastoralists from Ethiopia who had conquered and enslaved them in the 17th century. The RPF invasion was nothing more than a plot by Museveni, Kagame and their Tutsi co-conspirators to re-establish this evil Nilotic empire. Cartoons of Tutsis killing Hutus began appearing in magazines, along with warnings that all Tutsis were RPF spies bent on dragging the country back to the days when the Tutsi queen supposedly rose from her seat supported by swords driven between the shoulders of Hutu children. In December 1993, a picture of a machete appeared on the front page of a Hutu publication under the headline “What to do about the Tutsis?”

Habyarimana knew that the RPF, thanks to Ugandan backing, was better armed, trained and disciplined than his own army. Under immense international pressure, he had agreed in August 1993 to grant the RPF seats in a transitional government and nearly half of all posts in the army. Even Tutsis inside Rwanda were against giving the RPF so much power because they knew it could provoke the angry, fearful Hutus even more, and they were right. As Habyarimana’s increasingly weak government reluctantly acceded to the RPF’s demands for power, Hutu extremist mayors and other local officials began stockpiling rifles, and government-linked anti-Tutsi militia groups began distributing machetes and kerosene to prospective génocidaires. In January 1994, four months before the genocide, the CIA predicted that if tensions were not somehow defused, hundreds of thousands of people would die in ethnic violence. The powder keg awaited a spark to set it off.

What else did work, apart from radio propaganda? Thorsten Rogall researched the impact of a group consisting of roughly 50,000 soldiers and militants, who were promoting the killings across the country. According to him, 'much of Rwanda’s mass violence could have been stopped if key armed groups controlled by elites had been sidelined early'. Hutu militias weren't numerous enough, so to carry on the killings, convincing the civilians to turn against the Tutsi was necessary. Quite often no special measures were required, as a presence of the authorities convinced them on its own.

⠀DOCUMENTING THE GENOCIDE :marseycryinglaptop:

There's only one footage depicting the killings directly. It was taken by British freelance cameraman Nick Hughes on 11th of April 1994, in Gikondo - a stronghold of Hutu extremists. There were a few Western journalists left at the time. What you see in the video may be unclear, but the course of events is also known from the witnesses. The kneeling man was praying for the god to forgive his killers, while his daughter was cowering behind.

The victims remained unidentified for the next 15 years. Here they are. Justine Mukangango, who would turn 20 yo a two months later, and her father Gabriel Kabaga. Allan Thompson did the investigative job to find their family and at least at the time of article's publication (2009), have been visiting them rarely, but on regular. Rosalie was Gabriel's wife for around two decades.

We chatted about how things were going with her family. Her eldest son, Charles, is married and lives away. Yvette and Violette have finished their studies but don't yet have work. Isaac is going to school in Ruehengeri, in the northwest of Rwanda. And every day she misses her eldest daughter and husband.

Hughes has already heard about the killings, and corpses already got lined up in the streets. This video was taken on a Monday morning, after 10 AM. A few hours later, the recording was handled over to a stranger, about to board a plane to Nairobi. Then Hughes hollered through his satellite phone at a producer in Nairobi, who didn't realize the importance of that video. And so did the world audience. The footage was uploaded to London and distributed by the British agency WTN, for whom Hughes was freelancing. That night and the following morning, the video was aired by the CNN, Australian Broadcasting and German giant ZDF. Furthermore:

The footage was even fictionalized by producers of the film Hotel Rwanda, in the scene during which the cameraman played by Joaquin Phoenix bursts in to show his producer the video of a killing he has just captured in the streets of Kigali. In the Hollywood version, no one really cares. "How can they not intervene, when they witness such atrocities?" asks the heroic Rwandan hotel manager played by Don Cheadle. "If people see this footage, they'll say, `Oh, my God, that's horrible' and then go on eating their dinners," the cameraman played by Phoenix replies. And that's exactly what happened.


24th of April 1994. Here, unlucky journalists are asked by the soldiers to either leave cameras or go back. One says: 'I'm telling you politely, go and leave your cameras home, don't come with your cameras, you don't have permission.'. Building shown later is the prison with some suspects held. Context: Rwandan firing squads executed 22 people convicted of genocide on 24th of April, Friday.

Around 3 mins long video. I changed the music, as previously it was some a bit too dramatic instrumental added by whoever uploaded this. That's a stock footage, so I couldn't get the original if not paying.

Bodies lying on side of ride in Kigali during Rwanda civil war and genocide, 1994 (BBC News Archive Rushes - 01/04/1994 - ABSA627D).

A few clips from a Dutch documentary 'The Dead are Still Alive' from 1995. 40 secs, aftermath only:

14 secs, bodies in the river:

Now longer segment, beginning with a view for Kigali Airport (17th of April) from which the foreigners were evacuated.

Recorded on 18th of May, after the journalists have returned. Some corpses shown, including closeups, in quite unexpected style.


There was already a refugee crisis going on in Rwanda. Here's a map showing a situation in March 1994.

(from: )

A State Department "refugee fact sheet" issued in March 1994 (above) on the eve of the genocide summarizes three overlapping refugee crises in Rwanda and neighboring Burundi:

Hutu refugees from Burundi. An October 1993 coup attempt in Burundi, and assassination of the country's democratically elected Hutu president by Tutsi army officers, resulted in an exodus of predominantly Hutu refugees from Burundi. According to the State Department, about 287,000 Burundi refugees remained in southern Rwanda in March 1994.

Tutsi refugees from Rwanda. The State Department estimated that there were 550,000 predominantly Tutsi refugees in Central Africa, most of whom fled Rwanda in the pogroms that followed the overthrow of the Tutsi monarchy in 1959. The largest exile communities were located in Uganda (200,000) and Burundi (245,000).

Internally displaced persons fleeing RPF incursions into northern Rwanda from Uganda in 1990 and 1993. The State Department estimated that 350,000 Rwandans (predominantly Hutu, but also some Tutsi) remained displaced as a result of fighting between the RPF and the Rwandan government.

As a consequence of the cleansings, around 1 mln Rwandans were internally displaced, and from 1,2 to 1,5 mln fled to neighbouring countries. About 1 mln headed to Eastern Zaire - currently Democratic Republic of Congo - and settled in the camps scattered along the border. The biggest influx of refugees happened in Goma, in North Kivu province: between 14th and 18th of July, between 500,000 and 850,000 people - mostly Hutus - crossed the border. Efforts were put into meeting the international standards when it comes to the water supply, latrine construction, and food distribution. The situation remained unsafe due to the former Rwandan army and the Interhamwe militia activity in camps. During the first few weeks of emergency, infectious diseases posed the greatest risk. In Goma, the first case of cholera was confirmed on 20th of July. More than 48,000 victims were buried during a one month period (14th of July to 14th of August), and the overall number of cases is estimated at between 58,000 and 80,000. Mortality was two to three times bigger than observed in recent humanitarian crises in Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia and Iraq. Apart from cholera, dysentery was widespread early during the crisis.

First, two more maps.

Death’s geography. Murder rates during a 100-day genocide varied greatly across Rwanda’s municipalities, or communes. A national survey indicated that areas of high violence (darker colors) had low levels of marriage and employment but high levels of education.

The chart below is a map of civilian violence across Rwanda. It shows the number of civilians prosecuted for serious crimes during the Rwandan genocide—along with major roads.

From 2021. Nearly a Pareto rule in working :marseywink:

In the end, Rogall estimates that the 50,000 militiamen—roughly 10 percent of the total number of perpetrators—were ultimately responsible for over 80 percent of the Tutsi deaths.

A few photos related to the topic. 'Not gory, but...'.

7 July 1994: A Rwandan Patriotic Front rebel examines a nail-spiked club found near a militia checkpoint which was abandoned after the rebels captured Kigali. Such weapons were used by the militia to slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Tutsis and opposition Hutus.

11 May 1994- A Canadian Military Police officer plays with refugee children at the Kigali sports stadium where they were living with around 20,000 Rwandans who fled their homes.

23 July 1994- An aid truck full of medical supplies makes its way past scores of bodies of Rwandan refugees who died of cholera.

20 May 1994- Fishermen pile up corpses for burial at Kasensero village in Uganda. The bodies were carried by the Akagera river from Rwanda into Lake Victoria.

27 June 1994- A French soldier shakes hands with Hutu children in the village of Murutu, 60 km from the border with Zaire. (currently DRC)

The 1995 Pulitzer Prize Winner in Feature Photography was staff of the Associated Press, for its portfolio of photographs chronicling the horror and devastation in Rwanda. You can check all the photos with descriptions here: It's worth mentioning that the winner in International Reporting category was Mark Fritz, for his reporting on the ethnic violence and slaughter in Rwanda. Check his 10 short articles here:

⠀⠀RAPE AND ITS AFTERMATH :marseysmug3:

There's a good reason to make this a separate section. Rape was a non-lethal 'strategy' for the cleansings. Unfortunately for some, the good part is the reading only. There are plenty of videos with victim statements, from short news reports to e.g. 50 mins long documentary 'Rwanda: The Silence of Words' (by, whole doc is on their YouTube channel). It covers an abuse by the French soldiers, described first-hand. Three women filed a complaint with the French courts in 2004 and 2012. The investigation was at a standstill at the time of video upload (May 2022). I'd stay that there's much of artistic rather than informative parts, but country's landscapes are worth it, and these informative part show the emotions pretty well. You can see them clearly looking at the interviewed women.

First, a photo.

The decomposing bodies of a woman and girl, victims of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda.

… if you looked, you could see the evidence, even in the whitened skeletons. The legs bent and apart. A broken bottle, a rough branch, even a knife between them. Where the bodies were fresh, we saw what must have been semen pooled on and near the dead women and girls. There was always a lot of blood. Some male corpses had their genitals cut off, but many women and young girls had their breasts chopped off and their genitals crudely cut apart. They died in a position of total vulnerability, flat on their backs, with their legs bent and knees wide apart. It was the expressions on their dead faces that assaulted me the most, a frieze of shock, pain and humiliation. For many years after I came back home, I banished the memories of those faces from my mind, but they have come back, all too clearly.” (Excerpted from Shake Hands with the Devil, by Lt Gen Roméo Dallaire, Force Commander of the United Nations Assistance Mission to Rwanda, 1993-1994.) [Image: Mariella Furrer]

Here's a really long (nearly 140 pages) report from 2007 on rape during the wartime or other conflicts; Ctrl+F recommended for these interested. It does refer to various situations, including e.g. peacekeeping missions when there's civil unrest, but not war (like in Haiti). It also describes other acts of violence on civilians, there are also photos either of the victims interviewed or various injuries and scars. There's a high variety of both the events described and the victims, i.e. their social position, gender and age. Keep this in mind if you'd like to browse, but have some specific trigger.

A few pieces of information from this report (I didn't search for updated or more correct data).

  1. During a 1999 survey, 39% of interviewed Rwandan women reported being raped, and 72% said they know someone who was raped.

  2. The exact numbers are unknown and estimates vary highly, from 15,700 to around 500,000 victims of rape. (for the comparison, UN states it's roughly 150,000 to 250,000)

  3. Only 6% of surveyed women reported seeking a medical treatment after the rape.

  4. In a study done on more than 1,000 widows, roughly 67% of the rape victims were HIV-positive.

  5. According to the Africa Rights, a human rights organization based in the United Kingdom, the situation among the Rwandan women was a prime example of 'genocidal rape' - with underlying intentions, considering how big percentage of raped women turned out to be HIV-positive.

Here's the quote, below - screenshot of one of the stories (mind that children are among the victims). DRC isn't irrelevant to the topic, considering not just refugees, but also some militants fleeing there after the Rwandan genocide.

Since the 1996 outbreak of hostilities among multiple armed factions in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), atrocities against women have been so horrific and extensive that the violence has been referred to colloquially as the “war within a war” and the “war against women.”

Here's the last quote with the recollection of the events. Check linked report for more.

In research from 2005 in South Kivu, 492 women – 79 percent of whom had been sexually assaulted by between two and 20 attackers – shared their experiences of rape, mutilation and torture. One incident was related by a woman who was still confined to a hospital bed

A few moments after the Interhamwe [Rwandan militia] arrived in the village, I heard my neighbour screaming. I looked out of the window and I saw some men, all holding rifles. Immediately, I wanted to run away and hide but three of them turned up at our house. My husband pretended to be asleep…they grabbed me roughly. One of them restrained me, while another took my pili pili pestle and pushed it several times into my vagina, as if he was pounding. This agony seemed to be a never-ending hell. [...] then they suddenly left. For two weeks my vagina was discharging. I was operated on …I have to relieve myself into a bag tied to an opening in the side of my belly. They also killed my husband and my son.

Here's an 8 mins long video, 'Rwanda was first to prosecute mass rape as war crime'., being a comment to then newly released documentary 'The Uncondemned'.

⠀SOURCES :marseysalutepride: Map and some info. Quotes on the preparations and propaganda. More on warning signs ignored. Same. Map from here. Description of the Dutch documentary, for these interested. On cholera outbreak and other diseases among the refugees.


In the above photo, the picture taken in the morgue comes from right before the autopsy. Igor's father took it secretly, as prosecutors didn't agree.

tl;dr: On 15th of May 2016, in Wrocław (the capital of Lower Silesian voivodeship), 25 yo Igor Stachowiak was arrested in the main square area. He was reportedly mistook for a man who has escaped from the custody two days before. The man in the orange jumper caught the attention of both witnesses and cops. Radio operators described him as behaving aggressively and suspiciously, like he was either a runaway or disoriented / agitated due to drugs effects. The man was kicking the cops, and hit one in the shoulder, dislocating it. Three witnesses recorded his arrest, of which two were brought to a police station, for roughly 1,5 day; their mobiles remained confiscated for around one month, though. Igor was tased twice during the arrest, and later three times while in the police station. Even though he died the same day, the reason remained unclear. Around a year later, TVN24 aired a documentary on this case in the 'Superwizjer' series, reviving the media coverage of the case. A footage from the camera in Taser X2 Defender clearly shows that Igor was tased while surrounded by a few cops, and didn't behave aggressively back then. Officially, the reason of death was acute cardiorespiratory failure. It resulted from the mix of the effects of drugs, tasing and pressure on the neck applied on repeat. However, by-products from drugs metabolism were detected in urine, not blood, which means that Igor could have ingested them up to a few weeks before.

The police at first claimed that Igor was under the influence of various drugs and alcohol (he left the club the same day's morning), and he wasn't beaten by them, but had pre-existing injuries or bruising. However, on 21st of June 2019, the four suspected officers were convicted of the abuse of power and physical and psychological abuse. One received 2 years 6 months sentence, three - 2 years sentence. There are two sections: about the videos and about a background for the arrest.


Important note! Taser cam video was reportedly 12 mins long. It was activated with every use of the device (not precizing for how long and if only after applying shock, though). What you see below are short fragments in two videos (cut from two different docs), and they are partially overlapping. I put timestamps for both videos, though. I've left 'kurwa' as it is (so: Fuck! in pretty every context possible), rest of fuck-containing phrases is translated. In both cases translations of the dialogues are under the videos.

Above video comes from: First, two short videos from the arrest are shown. Morgue photo follows, then taser cam video.

First video from the arrest (check link and 13:45 timestamp for more hearable version): Guys, eh... kurwa, [please] no, I'm asking you, I am not doing anything, Please, kurwa, ahhh!, 0:17 'Hey,... eh, kurwa mać!', 'Hey, dude! But don't choke him, kurwa, you get it?'. Some follow-up of these recordings is in the video in the linked article. After 15:42 in the linked article video, you can hear Igor already struggling to breathe. Ironically, one cop says 'Nothing [bad] is gonna happen to you'.

Taser gun cam recording starts around 0:25. Most of this is muffled, here's translation of a few dialogues and what the news reporter says in the background.

0:43 - Once again you don't follow the orders, and there will be a re-run. [idiom was used here]

0:48 - Do you hear me? - Yes, I do. (the rest is inaudible, but IMO it ends in 'Rozumiesz?' - '[You] understand?')

(This is a scene registered by the camera in a police taser, around a dozen minutes before the death of Igor Stachowiak)

1:05 - Guys, don't beat me-

1:06 - It'd be best to do [this] behind the back, kurwa... cuff him again.

1:10 - Keep silent, kurwa!

1:11 - Kurwa, I beg you-

(25 yo man, cuffed, lies on the toilet floor in a police station in the Wrocław - Stare Miasto [quarter] at the Trzemeska street)

1:20 - What the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you doing, tell me.

(here another inaudible part, to me it seems someone says 'You have to stand up, understand?' right before the next part)

1:29 - Kurwa, why we are in the toilet room?!

(Light is off on the toilet at the first floor. Together with Igor Stachowiak, there are four police officers here. Around a dozen minutes from now, two more will join. When them all six will try to restrain him in another room, Igor will stop breathing)

1:48 - One more time you won't follow the order, and I will fucking hit you with it again, you understand this? You understand or not? - I [do] understand. ('hit' here refers to electroshock)

This is full video from the arrest, partially only included in the article linked above. Most of the dialogues is inaudible, and what's possible to understand is rather expected - either screams of pain, kurwa, please or let me go.

The family had access to more recordings than released, and some of them were described to the media. Reportedly, one of the cops said to Igor 'We know each other', hinting on the revenge scenario being true. It refers to an event from 3 years before, where Igor filled a complaint related to an abuse of authority by one of the officers arresting him.

Video from another documentary, accompanies by a long article I also used as a source later (,97.html#chapter-1). In the beginning, it's said that the search had to be conducted in the men's restroom. Dialogues and some of the comments are under the video.

0:20 - Once again you don't follow the orders, and there will be a re-run. [idiom was used here]

0:35 - [We] should talk to you right in the beginning, kurwa. - But for what [purpose]? - For [exactly] this one.

(The cops tell Igor to pull down the pants)

0:42 - I'm pulling them [down] right now, now

0:49 - [You] see? You told [us] it was not possible, and it is possible.

(0:58 Till this day it's not know why the police officers decided to conduct the search in the toilet room floor, and why in such a conditions they decided to question a man with a taser probes attached to him, ready to use) (According to the regulations on the use of the direct coercive measures, it is forbidden to use such a device on a person being handcuffed)

(1:39 The guy was already lying down after a first shock [released], It's not know why the officers had decided to use the taser two more times)

1:57 - And what's your name? - Kurwa, my name is Igor

2:13 - And one more time you won't follow the order... When you were following the orders, everything was good. One more time you won't follow the order, and I will fucking hit you with it again. You understand this? You understand or not? - I [do] understand. ('hit' here refers to tasing)

(2:25 Here is the last video in which Igor Stachowiak is visible. He dies few minutes later. A short while after a taser [cam] stops the recording, Igor runs back into the detention room)

Short clip around 2:42.

3:07: Man, 25 yo, currently not breathing, CPR is ongoing, Listen, uhmm... the man died. Man died, paramedics has stopped [any actions]... he's dead

3:18 In general, acute circulatory and respiratory arrest - Only? - Yeah. It's not, uhmm possible to... you know, dude has no injuries, right. - (confirms) - That abrasions he's got somewhere on hands, that's due to the handcuffs, right, because, because... - (confirms) - He was arrested [or detained] and so on, 3:30 - He's got no external injuries, any, dunno, cuts, brusing or impact marks..., ...resulting, maybe, after... after, after [inflicted by] any third party, right.


The controversy already starts before the arrest. Tl;dr, cops were frustrated over 22 yo Mariusz Frontczak, a runaway who was suspected to be involved in drug dealing. They have nearly caught him two days before, on 13th of May (Friday), but he managed to escape while handcuffed and was still on the run when TV aired the previously link docs. Comparison of the runaway and Igor's ID card photo.

Witnesses that were recording the arrest claimed that the cops were mocking them, asking they whether they're the news reporters. Here's one related description which I just found to be funny:

Another man who took a recording on the city square, 'News reporter 2', recalls that he couldn't believe in what he was seeing. He couldn't believe even more a few minutes after, when he was arrested himself for filming the event.

I am asking you! I'm doing nothing, kurwa! Aaaa! - screams a stranger in an orange jumper.

'News reporter 2' was a nickname given him later by the cops - because he was filming how they had a problems with Stachowiak. And they were actually having a skill issue. Two officers were kneeling down on him, and two more were trying to cuff him.

But for what...? Kurwa, please! I did nothing! But I'm asking you... for what you are doing this to me? Men, men! Aaaa! - screams Igor.

I am recording it, chill [bro]! - yells to him 'News reporter 2', while eating kebab. - Eee, Avengers, but you have to give him an order! - he says to the policemen, while they try to roll the guy on his back. - Hey, don't choke him, you and the other [one]!

Before the arrest, Igor was spending the night in a club Cherry with his friends - 7 in total. At least one has decided to talk to the journalists. A 'misunderstanding' happened, after which security guards threw Igor out. Police claimed he could get into a brawl, and that's how he got injuries looking like a beating. Shortly after 5AM, CCTV caught Igor sitting on the stairs leading out of the club. Security guards had a short talk with him, then leading him out; Igor run out. His friend, mentioned as M. in the news, was following him for a while. They separated after M. realized that he has to go back home and feed the cat. For around an hour, Igor was walking around the main square. According to the CCTV operator, Igor caught his attention due to the orange jumper. He seemed to ask the pedestrians for something maybe twice. Once 'beefy' and tattooed guy hit him up, looking like explaining something, checked his bag and left. Igor was seen by about a dozen city CCTV cameras. Eventually, he stood near a bench in the south-eastern corner of the main square and spent 21 mins here before being approached by the police car.

In the screenshot below, you can see Igor in the CCTV recording and a few radio communicates. Get to the Fredro's statue. There's a guy in a pink jumper, or orange one. He is slightly lost in space and time, [is] teasing the passerby. It would be good to check his ID, because he looks like he was warranted, or got lost. Alleged similarity to the runaway was announced in the radio later, I'd say in a very Polish way. Yeah, they were sent to help them, too, because we have kurwa one dude aggressive as fuck in the main square. He is similar to that dickhead who have just kurwa fucking run [us] away.

Protests were ongoing for about a week after Igor's death. Here's a video from one of them. At 0:30, they're screaming [When] you have no ambitions, you kurwa work for police, at 0:46 - Always and everywhere, police will be fucked.

I'm skipping the rest - especially all the vague statements and 'lost evidence' - due to the various reasons. Most important is sentences being already given, so that's be a wall of text about the skill issue (both on cops side and later, e.g. mistaking one witness with another, what Igor's father has pointed out after leaving the court hearing and talking to the journalists).


TL;DR: the 17 yo victim has reportedly borrowed a revolver of someone tied to the Caveiro faction, but lost it. The order to kill him came from inside a prison, and the video released on WhatsApp was meant to be a 'warning'. The family was shocked, because they thought that Gabriel was a good boy and didn't realize that his 'friends' were so fucked in the head. Gabriel had to pay the debt, but the negotiations were a trap. Instead, he was tortured for 2 to 3 hours and stabbed to death. In the video, the perpetrators seem to have fun and joke about pouring alcohol and the lemon juice over the cuts at his back (AL means alemão, so a member of the rival faction).

If you want to skip the throat cutting (or beheading with a skill issue) part, watch just until around 2:13. Gabriel photos when alive are near the end of this post.

In the morning of 10th of March 2015, the body of a teenager was discovered in Feira de Santana, state of Bahia. It was located at Rua Contendas do Cicorá, in the Parque Panorama neighborhood. As you'll see in the video, both Civil Police and Military Police arrived at spot, as well as bystanders. The victim was Gabriel Guimarães Silva, 17 yo who lived in the Sobradinho neighborhood. His body was dumped around 150 meters away from the house the torture took place in. It was at the back of a housing apartment, in the laundry room. According to one anonymous relative, who was interviewed by the Acorda Cidade, over the last week or two Gabriel was said to be helping with painting a house. These other teenagers were reportedly his friends. Apart from the exceptional cruelty, the family was shocked because of Gabriel's image in his parents minds. They were warning him against the 'bad company', and thought he's staying away from most trouble.

In the morning of 11th of March, videos appeared on WhatsApp - the ones you've just seen - and in the evening of the same day, police have already identified two out of three or four suspects; it was only stated they're above 18 yo. Police also had a first name of the third one. The torture video was suspected to be a 'reminder' to others to not cause any trouble to the faction members. Two guys arrested claimed that the order to kill Gabriel came from within the prison, and that they are from Caveira faction. Reportedly, Gabriel has borrowed a revolver from another criminal, so he could commit a robbery, but he claimed he lost it. The boy was tricked into negotiations related to selling his friend's motorbike as a way of paying the debt. However, the owner didn't intend to sell his motorbike. Gabriel was stabbed to death 2 to 3 hours after the torture has started.

⠀TRANSLATION (of the most important part) :marseyshy:

Video showing a discovery of the body is included in the next section. Now, time for the translation, thanks to @SadBrylan92 for help! :marseythumbsup: AL refers to the 'alemão', a term for a member of any rival faction. CP refers to the Comando da Paz, and the perpetrators belong to Caveira / Bonde do Caveira.

Torturer1: It's AL or not?

Victim: It is.

T1: It's AL or not?

V: It is.

T1: AL here. You're CP, you're CP, you shameless scorpion, Alemão! We are going to kill you, you fuck.

V: What do I need to say? What do I need to say?

T1: It's AL or not?

V: Yeah, it is.

T1: Then that's it, what else do you want?

T2: It's Bonde do Caveira or not?

T1: Here it is, a CP

T1, T2 and T3: Don't kill him. Don't kill him. [0:30]

T3: Write "AL" there, on that son of a bitch.

T1: Don't move, don't move!

T2: Take it, white pig! I'm gonna pour alcohol onto it. [~0:52]

T1: Head on the ground, head on the ground!

V: Please dude, don't pour alcohol-

T1: Shut up. We ain't gonna pour it [1:02]

T1: It's Bonde de AL, see, son of a bitch? If AL tells us to catch, we catch, cute twink. It's AL.

T2: I'm gonna pour alcohol, alcohol with lemon. [1:20]

T1: Nah, don't pour alcohol keep it like that.

T2: Shut up, stay quiet, son of a bitch.

T2: I'm gonna squeeze a lemon on top of it, a lemon.

V: No, bro, no.

T2: Leave him there, leave him smelling [like] piss. [2:03]

T1 and T2: The Bonde here, it's AL, it's Caveirão in this shit. [2:06]

Rest is muffled and hard to understand.

⠀BODY DISCOVERY :marseypin2:

Video from a local news station, TV Caldeirão.

Here, a few photos of Gabriel:

⠀SOURCES :marseysalutepride:

Photos were in DR thread, I couldn't find other sources.


Video comes from around May 2007. tl;dr of what's happening there: reportedly, prisoners tortured were a supporters of Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement), and they were caught by these on Fatah side (main political organization of the Palestine Liberation Army). They're both Palestinians. What prisoners are ordered to repeat is humiliating considering their faith and affiliations.

This isn't post similar to the previous one, due to the nature of this video. Especially that, quoting Kawther Salam, the autor of the article providing partial translation:

I translated the video because I am sure that most foreigners who see the video do not understand the whole story behind it, and I also found some mistakes in the attribution of this video on other websites

I couldn't find out the other websites. Since 2007 they're likely took down or are in Arabic, which means I can't easily search through them. YT video was removed, DailyMotion video was removed after receiving 25 views, and Google Videos (as DM video, linked on at some point) removed the file, too. LiveLeak version 'was manipulated', which I guess means the title was irrelevant or the sides reversed. Author of the translation didn't host that video locally.

The article providing both the translation and some context of manipulation was uploaded on 24th of June 2007. However, I saw a comment from user claiming they've seen the video some weeks before the Hamas' takeover of Gaza. As Battle of Gaza happened on 10-15th of June 2007, that'd mean the video was already available at least in May 2007.


Below are timestamps with both descriptions of what happens and the parts of dialogue translated. The author haven't provided the timestamps, but they're partially possible to tell from the Arabic transliteration (at least in these parts when sound isn't distorted). It requires explaining who is who, starting from Muhammad Dahlan - Palestinian political and security figure, and a longtime member of Fatah. 'Executive Force' refers to a security force in Gaza established by the Hamas government in 2006.

0:00 to 0:20: prisoner is asking for mercy, while jailer pushes a metal stick against his spine. Then prisoners - including one you see from 0:20 onwards - are asked 'Who is their master?', and they together answer 'Samih'. It refers to Samih Al Madhoun, head of Dahlan's death squads in Gaza. He was the one kidnapping them and possibly torturing in this video. Samih got killed on 14th of June 2007, chased down after killing someone at the border while trying to escape from Gaza.

From 0:20 onwards, to around 1:20, most of the time you see a blindfolded man with 'Executive Forces' t-shirt, which means he's a member of Hamas. He is asked, 'Who is the dog, what’s written on your shirt? Who is the dog who gave you this shirt?' and forced to answer that the dog is Said Siyam (the former minister for interior and security from Hamas). The jailer in the assault boots either beats the man with a long lash, twists his head a bit or presses the foot against his chest, abdomen and thigh or pelvic area. For the rest of this scene, he mostly 'confirms' that 'Said Siyam is the dog'.

The author mentioned that this man in black t-shirt is tortured very seriously, but didn't mention specifically that, apart from other types of abuse, certain trigger points are pressed there. If you don't remember where they are, check Google Images later. In the meanwhile, what prisoners are chanting is, quoting, chants of victory for Samih, in which they insult themselves and express their “admiration” and fear of Samih. They also call Samih a hero.

One prisoner, after 3:10, is singing 'Oh mother, the beautiful youth has departed from me and disappeared'. Another one was beaten and started asked for the mercy of God, also stating: 'I didn’t say that, I swear in the name of my God that I didn’t say that'.

Here it's hard to figure out timestamps, as it happens partially parallel to the other events. In the meanwhile (of the previously described events), screams were getting louder while prisoners were told to sing for Fatah: 'Fatah is the mother of the people (nation), keep your Fatah flag raised, the victory is for Fatah'.

Prisoners are told to sing: 'Abu Fadhi is our Master, Abu Fadi is our darling, with our spirits and our blood, we will sacrifice for Dahlan'. After repeating it several times, they're ordered to sing on repeat: 'Abu Fadhi is the master of the creation, Abu Fadhi is the Master of the universe. Our God has placed Abu Fadhi over the whole Universe'. Abu Fahdi is a son of Muhammad Dahlan.

3:45 onwards: jailer in military uniform is stepping on prisoner's chest or pelvic area. The blindfolded guy is asked, 'Who is your master?' and replies: 'Samih'. The next question is: 'Who is the dog?', and after the prisoner replies 'Walid', he is asked to say 'dog's' full name: 'Walid Al-Shaqrah!', repeated all over. Walid Al-Shaqrah is one of the officers of the 'Executive Forces' of Hamas. Another question is 'Who is the person you worked with and whose sister is a whore and fucks around?', and prisoner also replies 'Walid Al-Shaqrah'. 7;20 to 7;50: guy in black t-shirt again,he's just shown repeating the same thing as the rest of the prisoners.

After 9:20, tne another song for Dahlan is: 'Abu Fadhi is our darling, Abu Fadhi is our darling. Go and destroy Tel Aviv, go and destroy Tel Aviv!'. Next what prisoners are ordered to sing is, after 9:50: 'Walid Al-Shakrah is a coward, and a mercenary for Iran!'. Most Palestinians are Sunnis (at least back then?), so are these belonging to Hamas, so more humiliation is forced upon them by ordering prisoners to sing: 'Hamas Shia, Hamas Shia,... Walid coward,...'.

⠀UNRELATED BONUS :marseythumbsup:

It felt like you may like some more torture, and while I have no other torture from the period before June 2007, here's a testimony. It comes from a website of B’Tselem – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories.

April 2005, Loay Ashqar was arrested and taken to interrogation by the Israel Security Agency. Shortly after being arrested, a physician at the detention facility examined him and stated that he "has no physical or mental problem." In May 2007, Ashqar was released from prison. In his testimony to B'Tselem, he says that ISA agents tortured him during interrogation, causing him severe disability.

⠀SOURCES (or more reading and content for these interested) Translation and comments from the autor. (here's that comment suggesting the time of the video release before June 2007) Human Rights Watch report from July 2008, both political context, info on places and charcter of violations and quotes from the testimonies. Videos are available from 2017.


This is the 2nd craziest story I've posted so far. Not giving you a wall of text would feel like a wasted potential.

TL;DR: On 7th of April 2007, Du'a Khalil Aswad - 17 yo Yezidi Kurdish girl from a town near Mosul, northern Iraq - was stoned to death. At the end of the month, video(s) appeared online, causing an outrage. It was an honour killing, but what happened is still unclear. Dua had a relationship with a local Sunni Kurdish teenager (19 yo) for around 4 months. Its exact character is unknown. The rage escalated when Dua didn't get back for a night once, leaving home in the evening on 5th of April. After being exposed the next day, the couple was separated: he was arrested, and she found a shelter in the house of a local cleric (village elder). Uncle and cousins assumed she may have eloped and converted to Islam in order to marry her alleged partner. It most likely didn't happen - and parents forgave Dua for whatever happened. However, for 'bringing a shame' to the family, Dua's uncle with the support of local tribal leader organized 'storm' on the cleric's house. His sons, nephews and party supporters (he was a leader of a local section of the communist party) managed to 'convince' cleric to give Dua away. After being pulled outside, to the marketplace, the girl suffered around 30 minutes of stoning, also kicking all over and stomping on her. Mostly they were her cousins - including one finishing her with a cinder block. Her body was pulled through the streets by a car, and thrown into the rubbish pit, along with a dead dog.

Sections go as follows:

  1. The videos. They are around 15 mins in total. I added a short summary (with timestamps) of what happens in them, in case someone wanted to skip it or re-watch. Some scenes required explanations, too.

  2. The stoning. A wall of text on who is who and what's not matching between the versions of this story.

  3. Aftermath, revenge killings and the trials. I couldn't find out if 4 men sentenced to hanging were executed. News on this topic end abruptly a month before the final verdict would be given.

Sources vary a lot on some aspects, sometimes contradicting each other, sometimes skipping them entirely. Certain details were precised in one source only. Some are currently down, so I linked an archived version. [EDITS will likely come, maybe with more videos from certain helpful users]

⠀THE VIDEOS :marseypopcorntime:

Part 1. Length: 2;54. Here's the beginning, including a short view on either police or other forces witnessing all the unrest. Dua is brought out from the house of the local cleric / village elder in a headlock. At first, only the crowd is shown, around 0;52 girl lying on the ground is shown, after 1;10 you can clearly see the stoning has begun. Recording seemed to be paused at 1;35. Around 1;55 she tried to stand up, but is either hit or kicked in the face, then falling down bloodied.

Part 2. Length: 1;25. Music playing over. Here someone standing in the first 'row' was recording how various men come by and kick Dua in the face, torso and abdomen or stomp on her. Around 0;35 a jacket thrown over her thigs is pulled off again, and you can clearly see the bruising in a pelvic area. A cinder block was thrown at the girl's head, and at 1;00 someone grabs it, drop on the head again, blood flowing is visible.

Part 3, split into two videos. Length: 5;10 and 5;00. The man throwing the cinder block on her head is Araas, a cousin from the girl's mother side. He later claimed that it was an act of mercy.

The guy holding the mobile pushes himself through the crowd, getting near the center at 0;40. The recording is chaotic, after 1;00 you can see either the crowd, the girl being kicked by randoms, someone else's mobile or the girl, sometimes trying to cover her face. At 2;00 someone pulls the jacket over the girl's legs again, just after another threw the cinder block on her head. This is the moment shown in the previous video. As it was recorded from the same POV, there's a chance that these two dudes recorder each other's hands holding the mobile. From 3;00 onwards, you can see the crowd gathered and looking at the now not moving girl. Before 3;20 another cinder block is thrown, this time on her back.

It begins with a zoom on a girl, now either dead or about to die. At 3;20 someone's already holding her by the arms, later other men join, and she's pulled away. In the meanwhile, the jacket thrown over her pelvic area slips down a few times, and they put it over again before walking further.

Some sources claim that the first video appeared on YouTube. It wouldn't make sense considering the time difference between the news. At 25th of April 2007, news was posted on Assyrian International News Agency website. Iit included links to 6 videos, all in .3gp format, hosted on None of these files is archived, at least under the link they provided.

⠀THE STONING :marseylaptopsad:

Du'a Khalil Aswad - a second-year student at the Fine Arts Institute in Bashiqa - was living in Bashiqa (also spelled Ba'shiqah), a town of population around 20,000 people, located around 20 km NW from Mosul. Bashika lies in Nineveh governorate, and isn't a part of the Kurdistan Region (KRI), an autonomous region. This is important due to the legal aspects: it doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of the Kurdistan Regional Government, but of the Iraqi Federal Government. Shortly after Dua's murder became a media case, an Amnesty International spokesman in London said they receive frequent reports of Iraqi 'honour crimes'. Most of them occurred in the north, inhabited mostly by the Kurds. Here's the map of the ethnic and religious groups in Iraq in 2008.

Here's the CNN news on the case, to show how the media narrative look like shortly after the murder:

Family members spoke about the details for the first time about 7 months after Dua's death. Mentioned family members or other people important to the story:

  1. Mother: Badi'aa Aswad

  2. Father: Khalil, 49 yo civil defense official

  3. Uncle: Salim, 65 yo science teacher, leader of the local section of the Iraqi Communist Party

  4. Brothers: Nebraas and one unnamed

  5. Village elder: Sheikh Sulaiman Sulaiman, in this story he was meant to be a 'negotiator'

  6. Tribal leader: Omar Hamko, 73 yo

  7. Cousins: Araas from the mother's side and several from the father's side.

  8. Boyfriend: Muhannad Ummayad, 19 yo, said to be son of a local teacher, owning cosmetic shop and either her neighbour or just local one

Sources don't precise her age. For around 4 months before the murder, she was meeting the son of a teacher from her town; also said to run a cosmetic shop. A Muslim Sheikh or cleric has given her shelter. At one night, the girl failed to return home. Sources are a bit vague, so I'll just list all the varying or unclear parts. But first, quote from 3 months before family's version was available:

After Du'a's death, the international media widely repeated a claim made on a number of Islamic extremist websites that she had been killed because she converted to Islam, but local reports do not concur. Some people tell me she had run away with her Muslim boyfriend and they had been stopped at a checkpoint outside Mosul; others say she had been seen by her father and uncle just talking with the boy in public and, fearing her family's reaction, they had sought protection at the police station. Either way, the police handed Du'a into the custody of a local Yezidi sheikh. [...]

  1. The date of disappearance, number of nights outside home and date of death is unclear. Her mother claimed that Dua left home around 7 PM on 5th of April, saying she's going to take the rubbish out. She didn't come home. In the morning, an anonymous man called to inform the family that Dua was spotted with a Muslim man. As the informant claimed he's going to kill her, father and brother of Dua contacted the police. After a few hours, they found her hiding in an olive grove with her friend.

  2. At some point, Dua was brought to the village elder's house. Family members started to talk over the possible solutions. Her mother didn't want her dead. Her father didn't want her dead, and came up with an idea of marrying Dua to the cousin and moving out to Syria. Both her uncle and the tribal leader wanted the girl dead. After the uncle started to explain why he should decide about Dua's fate, her father told him to go out. Mother had a talk with Dua, who claimed that she hasn't done anything wrong and that she's hungry - the last what Badi'aa heard from her.

  3. The next day - 7th of April - the tribal leader contacted Dua's uncle and told about the plan to bring her out of the city. He sent his sons, nephews and party supporters to surround the house. They brought firearms and stones, and started firing in the air and screaming to force the Sheikh to give the girl away. Dua's father interviewed by the local TV station stated that he sent the girl's brother to bring her home, but had no idea about the plan to kill her. According to one eyewitness, he later tried to get to Dua but the people stopped him..

Around 8 or 9 men came inside and brought here to the marketplace. Different sources also mention that 8 or 9 were directly responsible for her death, as ones 'active' in this crowd. Dua's father, though, mentioned around 20 men as her killers. Among the crowd was her uncle and a few cousins (13 in total?), all from the father's side but one - that finishing her, later stating it was out of mercy. Some sources claim she was stripped naked, but she was only stripped to the waist down, leaving underwear on. The point was a further humiliation relating to her alleged deeds. Stoning lasted for about 30 minutes. One eyewitness, a teacher, said that among the onlookers there were both policemen and some Peshmerga soldiers belonging to the Kurdistan Democratic Party. Reportedly, after the event place was 'secured' by Iraqi Army soldiers, who didn't allow to enter both the locals and the journalists.

Afterward, the girl's body was tied to the rope, then dragged through the streets by car. Instead of burial, it was thrown into the rubbish pit - possibly after burning - along with a dead dog. The family received the information about Dua's death the day later. Two brothers were sent to dig the body out of the rubbish and relocate it to the cemetery. However, someone damaged her grave there. During talk with her mother, Dua claimed that she's a virgin and did nothing wrong. Her body was sent to the Medico-Legal Institute in Mosul. Even though the 'virginity checks' are oldschool pseudoscience - which isn't surprising considering the rest of this story - at least the result of the exam was matching Dua's story.


On the 2nd of May, the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) issued a statement about how they condemn the stoning of 17 yo girl and, quoting: urges the Iraqi Federal Government to investigate and institute legal proceedings in the district where the killing took place. They also condemned the killings in revenge. Yezidi were already feeling persecuted by some, but fell into the conflict after Dua was murdered. Previously situation looked like that:

Bashiqa, a small town sitting in lush green hills east of the city of Mosul, used to be regarded as an island of peace and stability while vast areas of post-Saddam Iraq were plunged into civil war.

Home to a population that is 70 per cent Yezidi - members of an old sect that is neither Muslim nor Christian - Bashiqa was spared the sectarian and ethnic strife between Arabs and Kurds, radical Sunnis and Shia that plagued surrounding areas. People from Mosul would drive the 25 kilometres to Bashiqa to have picnics and to enjoy the tranquility of a little town where Yezidi temples, Muslim mosques and Christian churches stand in close proximity, presenting a rare image of tolerant coexistence.

On 22nd of April, a bus transporting elderly workers from a textile factory in Mosul back to Bashiqa was stopped at a fake checkpoint. Gunmen from an extremist Sunni group told the Christians and Muslims to go away, and took the Yezidi workers to the east of the city. They were instructed to get out, lined up and executed. Between 20 and 24 men were shot dead. Around this time, some Yezidis living in the city started fleeing to the countryside. Among them were around 800 students from the Mosul university.

The stoning of Dua Khalil Aswad could also be one of the events provoking a suicide bomb attack on two Yezidi villages (14th of August 2007), killing from around 300 to 500 people. Officially, the number of victims is 411; according to Iraqi Red Crescent, it could have exceeded 500. Targeted villages were Kahtaniya, Tal Uzair, and the residential area of al-Jazeera.

Most sources mentioning the other 'honour killings' focused only on the following ones. But these are showing the context:

Duaa’s case is not the first time conversion and marriage prohibitions have led to violence. A few months before she died, a family killed their daughter because she had converted to Islam. They shot her with a single bullet to the head, and little attention was paid to the case.

Two months before Duaa’s death, a Yezidi man from Shekan, a village near Bashiqa, eloped with a Muslim girl. The girl was later found beheaded, allegedly by Muslims from her own village, and several Yezidi houses and religious sites were set alight.

These incidents may help explain why the killing of Duaa escalated so swiftly into bloodshed between Muslims and Yezidis.

The rest is mostly quotes, as there's no clear follow-up story after April 2010. News mention few cops 'possibly facing consequences', which means nothing. Initially, Dua's boyfriend was arrested (while uncle and tribe leader were free), eventually he moved out of the city. I didn't find out what were the family's decisions, but they were no longer wanted in the community and someone threatened them by throwing a grenade into their garden.

There are frequent reports of "honour crimes" in Iraq - in particular in the Kurdistan region. The 1969 Iraqi Penal Code contains provisions that allow lenient punishment for "honour killings" on the grounds of provocation or if the accused had "honourable motives" (Article 128). For decades the Iraqi judiciary has relied on Article 128 to allow such attempts to justify the killings as mitigating circumstances when determining sentences for the perpetrators of "honour killings".

Despite a worldwide outrage at this act, and national protests to pressurize both Iraqi and Kurdistan Regional Governments to bring killers to justice, after one year of this crime, they were released and an amount of 4 million Iraqi dinars were paid to Du’a Khalils family to keep them silent about it.

News from 16th of May 2007:

PUK Media website reported that the Iraqi security forces arrested 16 people accused of stoning and killing of the Kurdish Yazidi girl Dua, who was only 17 years old. A source from Mosul city, Friday told PUKmedia, that 4 of the detainees on the background of this charge referred to the Court and will go on trial on terrorism charge

This is from the news from the end of April 2010. Sentences had to be confirmed by the Iraqi Supreme Court in May 2010.

Two of those who were found guilty last month are cousins of the dead girl, named as Aras Farid Salim and Wahid Farid Salim. "Some of her relatives came to me recently and asked for me to help get the death sentences commuted, but I refused because I agree with the verdict," says Khasro Goran, leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party in Nineveh province where the killing took place.

Provincial officials don't think much could have been done to stop the honour killing, but at least three officers are being investigated and could be fired.

"The climate, the religious and social climate is such that people can do that in daylight and that authorities do not intervene," said the spokeswoman for the Organization of Women's' Freedom in Iraq, Houzan Mahmoud.

SOURCES :marseysalutepride: Series of articles, multiple of the linked there were used. 10th of May 2007'honour-killing’-teenage-girl-condemned-abhorrent


These two videos are just connected by their topic and both being a media case (2010 and 2013). First is the better one. Here's a version with subtitles. Rest of info under the video.

The video was uploaded to YouTube on 10th of December 2010. The identity of the victim is unknown. Recording IMO seems to start half-way the punishment. At the end, it's stated that it had to be 53 lashes, while the woman receives around two dozens over 2 minutes of recording. The reason for the punishment wasn't officially confirmed. People commenting on social media suggested that it could be wearing trousers, so 'indecent or immoral dress'. It is possible to challenge the decision, as Lubna Hussein did in 2009 (widely covered case), but that's an exceptional decision. Around the time of video release, sharia law was often enforced arbitrarily in northern Sudan and was a common form of punishment. Due to loose regulations, it was carried on negligently.

Quoting The Guardian article by Nesrine Malik, a Sudanese-born journalist:

The video makes for harrowing viewing. The casual nonchalance of the security forces and their occasional laughter as the distraught victim is lashed is unspeakably distressing. Even though Sudan has been under the rule of a loose and arbitrary version of sharia law for the past 20 years, and floggings are quite regular, the phenomenon still feels very alien to mainstream Sudanese society and inspires revulsion.

When it does happen, as shown in the video, it occurs in a haphazard, loosely regulated way. It is left to the security forces to enact a punishment in whatever way suits them – a far cry from Saudi Arabia's orchestrated spectacles in chop-chop square.

It has been heartening to see the outcry in Sudan. Both men and women have felt the sting of the whip in the past two decades, and there is a groundswell of anger and lamentation over the dramatic changes in Sudan in the past 20 years.

Northern Sudan was once a place where a symbiotic form of Islam was practised, one that married tribal and cultural mores with religious values and found its level somewhere therein. After the 1989 coup, a rigid Wahhabi-style system was imposed, in a random manner at that, with the new government adopting some of the Saudi legal system's more draconian laws and ignoring others entirely.

Sudanese sources claimed that recording took place on 5th of December. It was shot inside Khartoum’s police headquarters, in the presence of a police judge. Deputy police chief Adel Al-Agib, speaking to Al-Arabiya TV, claimed that the video was released on 10th of December on purpose, to worsen the public image of Sudan. 10th of December is Human Rights Day. According to him, the video was taken in July 2009.

Quickly after the video release, the Sudanese judicial authority stated that investigation was started immediately after the video appeared online. The problem was whether the punishment was carried on properly. I'd like to stop there on some comment about how 'proper' the whole idea is, but that video deserves an explanation. It isn't known what was the punishment for. Officials from the ruling National Congress Party contradicted each other while explaining the case in the local press. If it was actually whipping for 'indecent or immoral dress', it'd be Paragraph 152 and here punishment is at last 40 lashes (or fine, or both). Some sources were mentioning Paragraphs 154 and 155, which consider sex-working and prostitution, where 50 to 100 lashes can be applied with or without prison sentence. Another source was specifically pointing out that beating all over the body - including the face - is not allowed, too.

This screenshot is a part of the 2018 report Assessment of laws affecting gender equality and protection against gender-based violence by UN, shows some changes since 2010.

On December 14, a group of about 30 women who tried to deliver a protest letter to the justice ministry in Khartoum. They were arrested and set free after several hours. One of the protesters contacted France24 (link in sources), claiming she wasn't arrested, but was beaten by the cops. She also stated that the video shocked even some Sudanese with a conservative views. Other source claim that around 50 people sat down outside the justice ministry holding banners, so I guess it's either overlapping or separate group from these 30 women mentioned previously. The group consisted of 46 women and 6 men, who belonged to the Women Initiative Against Violence. They were surrounded by the riot police and also arrested, for the unlawful assembly. They claimed that attempts to obtain the permission for the protests failed, and Khartoum State Police Force refused to comment. Lawyers weren't let inside the police station. All 52 were released under the police bail. The BBC correspondent was thrown down to the ground by three men and his equipment confiscated. There wasn't mentioned whether any other news correspondent was present.

Now bonus video with far less reading, as it seems this case didn't cause similar outrage. Definitely more tame than the previous video, even though there are also cries of pain and onlookers. This one was uploaded on 15th of September 2013 - some sources say that on 17th - on YouTube. The journalist running this channel received an anonymous e-mail, without precising where it happened. It seems that her offense was riding a car with a man who wasn't a relative.

Accent suggests that the even took place in the vicinity of capital Khartoum. Quoting France24,

The incident takes place in a courtyard – possibly at a courthouse – with a crowd of bystanders watching on. A police officer whips a woman seated cross-legged and facing a wall, all while the person filming and another person next to them giggle. At 39 seconds, an officer tells the woman, called Halima: “This is so you don’t get into cars anymore”. An Observer in Sudan who has watched the video says it is not unusual for a woman to be punished with lashes if she is found in a car with a man who isn’t from her immediate family (such as a husband, a father, or a brother).

Other source also mentioned that she was 'advised' to not sit in the front seat, too.

⠀SOURCES :marseysalutepride: and on protests Country Assessment - English.pdf (screenshot)


It was already posted by @Jaish around 3 weeks ago, but I added a whole backstory. This is a rare case when video is recorded as it should be, and perpetrators clearly enjoy their job. Cameraman does, too. tl;dr: in the beginning of October 2001, three people were kidnapped by five Chechen militants from their home in the outskirts of Grozny. All but the cameraman were really young, the only convicted for now being 18 yo back then. One another may be still alive, the rest were killed by the Russian special forces. Tatiana Usmanova, 39 yo, was interrogated - or rather tortured, like them all - in front of her friend (she was later shot) and husband, the only surviving witness. The victims were accused of cooperating with local police and feds. Tape with the footage surfaced in the middle of 2004, when one guy was already in prison, and nearly all of his accomplices - dead. The first one was convicted in 2007, for now - he's still serving his time in penal colony. Rest of info under the video. I put timestamps below if you'd like to skip certain moments or watch them specifically. [EDITS will come later]

⠀⠀TIMESTAMPS :marseywait:

0:00 to 2:18 - interrogating Tatiana, she gets hit few times.

2:18 to 3:50 - one of the militants is making a shallow scrape (for the blood to flow there); broader view of the scene, interchangeably with zooming on Tatiana's face.

Around 4:58, she starts pleading while being asked to show hands, got them taped around. Her husband gets mouth taped.

Then she's brought down, dude tries the knife against her throat (seems to figure out how to cut it later). Around 6:30 tape on her mouth is cut off, another talking scene.

8:30 to 9:20 - taping her mouth around again, preparations for the beheading.

9:20 - beheading starts; two guys take turns on cutting and holding her down. 9:50 to 11:00 is black screen (covered camera only), then it's just aftermath visible and boasting with her cut off head until 12:50.

12:50 onwards: just talking, few beheading aftermath scenes in-between.


Map with important spots relating to the story. Gekhi, around 12 km from the village of Alkhan-Kala, both close to Grozny. Orange square marks the village that the couple was living in (formally a part of Grozny). Small river flowing through Alkhan-Kala is Sunji.

Three victims of the kidnapping and torture were:

  1. Tatiana Usmanova (born 1962), Russian by identity (Chechen father, Russian mother) - beheaded

  2. Hassan Edilgireev, her husband, Chechen - let free

  3. Elena Petrovna Gaevskaya, friend or neighbour of Tatiana, Russian - shot

Tatiana and Hassan were living in the Andreevskaya Dolina village, in Zavodsky district of Grozny. Sources either claim that Tatiana had 4 children or 5 children, some don't mention them at all. In the evening of 1st of October 2001, Elena - a friend of Tatiana - paid the visit to the couple. According to Hassan, five armed bandits broke into their home. They were part of the group led by Islam Chalayev (more on him in the next section). All three victims were threatened with reprisal (in what way - not specified), then taken to UAZ and driven away to Alkhan-Kala, to Chalayev's house. precises the most about the events shown. Khamzat Tazabaev nicknamed 'Tazik', born in 1974, was the cameraman. The first man doing a few cuts on Tatiana's neck is Arbi Khaskhanov, nicknamed 'Little Arbi' (possibly born in 1983). Next one, cutting the throat, is Adlan Barayev (I couldn't find his exact age). Head was finally cut off by Ilyas Dashaev (born 1982, living in Gekhi). He was the only one sentenced (in 2007), his accomplices were nearly all dead by the time. According to his court testimony, they got informed about all three victims allegedly collaborating with local police and FSB. Admitting to helping the local authorities and feds was obtained by force, though. Arbi Khaskhanov claimed (in 2003) that afterward both corpses were thrown into the Sunji river.

There is also 'someone said something' type of scenario, which I couldn't verify. Apart from alleged collaboration with cops and feds, other motives include crime based on ethnicity and more complicated issues between former friends or acquitainces. Reportedly, Tatiana may have known the killers, who were once friends with her son Alexander. Arbi Khaskhanov had an older brother, Apti. He claimed that both women sold Apti out to feds, and the man had later died in detention. His personal motivation was avenging Apti.


  1. Islam Chalayev: eliminated during the FSB operation in April 2002;

  2. Khamzat Tazabaev: eliminated during the FSB operation in February 2004;

  3. Adlan Barayev: also killed during a special operation, in December 2004. His brother Movsar Barayev (and newphew of Arbi Barayev) led the hostage-taking during the Dubrovka theater hostage crisis, more known as Nord-Ost siege (I wrote a longer post on it: ), and was dead since the October 2002;

  4. Arbi Khaskhanov: I couldn't find info on this one; news about guy with same name and surname eliminated by feds comes from a month before. I don't know how the legal aspects look like for releasing info about not yet adult criminals (it's possible that 'Little Arbi' was 17 yo back in the October 2001). As in 2007 'nearly all' of the accomplices were eliminated, this one may be the exception and still alive;

  5. Ilyas Dashaev: discussed below. His full name is Ilyas Isaevich Dashaev, born on 5th of September 1982.

At the beginning of his criminal 'career', Dashaev was involved in the group led by Arbi Barayev (born 1973). He'd been specifically choosing young and cruel men to his ranks; actually would deserve a separate post. In the beginning of 2001, Dashaev moved to the 'Jamaat' led by Chalayev. Then (if I understood sources correctly) in the summer of 2001 he either moved to 'Bagram' group or the previous one was reformed into 'Bagram'. No matter the scenario, this group was destroyed in April 2002.

In the middle of 2004, feds in Grozny obtained a tape with the torture and beheading footage. That started a separate investigation. All men participating in torture and killings were identified, and one witness found - Hassan. Most of the militants had already died, and Dashaev was serving time in prison for the other crimes. In January 2002, federal troops managed to conduct a special operation against Dashaev and detain him. In December, the Stavropol Regional Court found him guilty of the murders of the heads of administrations of several Chechen villages, two employees of the Urus-Martanovsky District Department of Internal Affairs who were on a study leave in Grozny, as well as e.g. banditry and robbery, and sentenced to 20 years in prison in a maximum security colony.

For the 2001 murders, Ilyas Dashaev was convicted in 2007 by the Supreme Court of the Chechen Republic and sentenced to 22 years in prison, with serving a sentence in a maximum security penal colony. He was serving time in an IR-1 colony in the Chelyabinsk region. Exact accusations were: kidnapping committed by an organized group, murder in relation to its activity (I may have messed up the translation), committed with an exceptional cruelty and out of selfish motives.

Controversy sparked in 2018 after another prisoner of IR-1 colony, Yevgeny Kidinov, was beaten to death on 11th of November. One of the accused was Ilyas Dashaev. His wife Ramisa spoke in his defence; there are both articles and a video. Reportedly, CCTV recordings show Kidinov going out of the room where Dashaev was on his feet, with a cheerful gait. He died 4 hours later. According to Ramisa, the charge is based on the testimony of two witnesses. Both guys were involved in drug trafficking in IR-1 colony, and they got into a conflict with Dashaev, who was openly against the drug use among the prisoners.

⠀⠀SOURCES :marseysalutepride: (news on process, includes description of the events from Tatiana's husband; one of least repetitive sources including some new info)лет-за-убийство-которого-не-совершал/ (on allegations against Dashaev and why it seems he wasn't involved in 2018 death of another prisoner) (2002 news on process for various crimes commited during the war, including Dashaev and his bros) (Adlan Barayev's death) (Islam Chalayev's death) (Khamzat Tazabaev's death) (details on Dashaev's convictions, for these interested)


Brief summary:

Jürgen Gustav Kantner was a German sailor who was kidnapped and killed by the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group in the Philippines.

On 5 November 2016, Kantner and his partner Sabine Merz were attacked while sailing along the coast of the Philippines and Malaysia. Merz was shot dead during this attack and Kantner was kidnapped as a hostage in the jungles of southern Sulu province, where Abu Sayyaf is based. After an unpaid ransom demand of 30 million pesos, Kantner was beheaded on camera on 27th February 2017. His body was found in early March 2017 and transferred to Germany.

The couple were previously abducted from their yacht Rockall in 2008 and held in Somalia by Al-Shabaab for 52 days. The two were freed after a paid ransom demand, which Kantner subsequently criticised, saying that paying ransom increased the risk of other sailors being kidnapped.

In 2009, he returned to Somalia to pick up his yacht Rockall.


In 2008, Jürgen Kantner and his partner were abducted from their sailboat, held for 52 days in Somalia and released after a six-figure ransom was reportedly paid.

Then he went back to Somalia to get his boat.

After three decades sailing the oceans, Mr. Kantner was a German on paper only. “Why should I go back to Germany, where I have nobody to help me?” Mr. Kantner was quoted as saying at the time. “I have no friends back home.”

Despite that ordeal, he and his partner continued to sail in dangerous waters. And on Monday, the Philippine and German governments identified Mr. Kantner, 70, as the man with shaggy white hair and an unkempt beard who was shown being beheaded in a video released by a Philippine militant group, Abu Sayyaf. It had demanded $600,000 in ransom for Mr. Kantner and had set a deadline of Sunday for the two governments to comply.

“We are deeply shaken at this inhuman and horrifying act,” Germany’s foreign ministry said in a statement. “We condemn the murder of this German in the strongest possible terms. There is no justification for such an act.”

Mr. Kantner and his partner, Sabine Merz, were seized in November while sailing in an area of the southern Philippines under the control of Abu Sayyaf. Their 53-foot yacht, the Rockall, was found on Nov. 7 with a dead woman later identified as Ms. Merz, 59, still aboard. News media reports said a spokesman for Abu Sayyaf had accused Ms. Merz of firing on them, and they shot her dead.

In a video circulated this month by the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors jihadist websites, Mr. Kantner said the Islamist militants would behead him soon if they did not receive a ransom.

The video, which runs for less than two minutes and was posted on various sites affiliated with Abu Sayyaf, showed Mr. Kantner, hogtied and slumped to the ground with a machete-wielding militant behind him. The bearded and disheveled hostage says faintly, “Now they’ll kill me.”

The Philippines denounced the killing. “We grieve as we strongly condemn the barbaric beheading of yet another kidnap victim,” said Jesus Dureza, an adviser to President Rodrigo Duterte. “Up to the last moment, many sectors, including the armed forces of the Philippines, exhausted all efforts to save his life. We all tried our best, but to no avail.”

The German authorities as a rule do not confirm ransom payments, and Mr. Kantner said in a 2008 interview with Stern magazine that he was not allowed to speak of how much had been paid to secure his and Ms. Merz’s release. But at the time, German news media reported it to be the same amount that Abu Sayyaf was seeking.

(The text on the photo reads: "My last hour - Jürgen Kantner")

Mr. Kantner appeared to have been fully aware of the risks he faced in continuing to sail through dangerous waters. He told the newsmagazine Stern months after his release that as long as governments continued to pay ransom, the kidnappings would continue.

But he also felt he could not remain on land. “I bought my first boat at 28,” he said. “All in all, I have lived more than 30 years at sea, have worked on ships and have delivered yachts — that pays well.”

“I lived for 14 years on a sailing boat with my family. Both of my children grew up there,” he added. The whereabouts of Mr. Kantner’s children were not immediately clear on Monday.

At that time, he was already over 60 and knew that he would not be able to find work in Germany. Still, he spent four months back in his home country, trying to get back on his feet financially, he told Yacht magazine in a 2009 interview.

Then a Somali living in Germany reached out and told Mr. Kantner that his boat lay in harbor in the port of Berbera. Bucking warnings from the German authorities about the risks of trying to recover the vessel, Mr. Kantner borrowed money and bought a plane ticket.

“When you live 33 years on a ship and never slept in a bed, only in a berth, then you’re quite attached to your ship,” he said.

He repaired Rockall enough to set sail later that year with Ms. Merz for Aden, Yemen, and then on to Asia, where Mr. Kantner said he had connections that he hoped could provide him with odd jobs.

At the time he said he had considered getting a machine gun to mount on the deck of the boat, but confessed that the idea gave him an “uneasy feeling.”

“We have both said we don’t want to go through that again,” he said of their abduction by the Somalis. “We would rather shoot ourselves.”

Perfecto Yasay Jr., the Philippines foreign minister, said the country would stick to its policy of refusing to pay ransom and seek technological help from its allies to pinpoint remaining hostages.

“We will undertake our operations to make sure we give a premium to saving the lives of the hostages,” he said in Geneva, where he was attending a meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council. “Our task has not been easy, but we are prepared to crush them when the opportunity comes.”

Although Abu Sayyaf is relatively small, with fewer than 500 members, it has been responsible for some of the Philippines’ worst terrorist attacks, including bombings, killings and the targeting of foreign nationals.

Abu Sayyaf, or Bearers of the Sword, operates in mostly poor areas in the southern islands of Basilan and Sulu. Despite its small size, it has rebuffed countless military offensives and remains a serious threat, often using abductions to raise funds and killing hostages when ransoms are not paid. Last year, the militants beheaded two Canadians and a Filipino it had seized separately.

Mr. Dureza said terrorism had no place in a democratic country. He promised that Mr. Duterte’s government, which has been waging a violent antidrug campaign that has been severely criticized by human rights groups, would “confront violent extremism.”

“A precious life had been needlessly lost,” he said. “There must be a stop to this killing of the innocent and the helpless.”


Maybe you can recall another Polish incident. 1987, Il-62 M crash - known for likely the most chilling last words in the flight recorder. 'Goodnight, goodbye!', 'Bye, we perish!' - two pilots. Well, this post will be about Tu-154 crash in April 2010, when last words were 'KURWA!'. Whoever was a gore enjoyer back then probably can recall not even the aftermath photos. More memorable was a crazy political drama, conspiracy theories and black humour. I'll sometimes randomly mention it. Some of you may find it a bit odd. But it's really hard to go through this topic while skipping the crazy/humorous part entirely or leaving it all for the end. EDITS will come (mostly grammar, typos etc.).

tl;dr: on 10th of April 2010, Tu-154 military flight from Warsaw had crashed when approaching the airport near Smoleńsk (Russia, close to the Belarusan border). All 96 people on board died, including the president. As the passengers were heading for the Katyn massacre 70th anniversary celebrations, there were more politics on board. This was one of the reasons why the crash started a crazy political drama. It can be summarized as: one side claiming it's a conspiracy and Russians did it (with various arguments, scenarios and a degree of disattachement from reality), the other side claiming it was a result of a pilot error and a lack of warnings from Smolensk air-traffic controllers.

Sections go as follows:

  1. Basic information about the flight (and crash). Videos from the place of the crash included, as well as tl;dr on the causes of this crash.

  2. Aftermath. Gore time!. Any face blurs were already there, I didn't modify the photos.

  3. Comment on April 2022 'leak' which wasn't actually a leak. Gov site was done by retards, there was no leak.

  4. Final comments. And more about memes and drama. Skip if not thinking it's funny in any way.


On 10th of April 2010, Tu-154M departed from the Warszawa-Okecie Airport at 7:21 AM (local time). It was heading to the Smolensk Airbase (Russia, close to the Belarusan border). How it'd look in a straight line:

During the flight the crew was in contact with air traffic controllers at Minsk, Moscow and Smolensk. 90 minutes ahead of Tu-154M, Polish Air Force Yakovlev 40 passenger plane landed at Smolensk Air Base and Tupolev crew was in contact with Yak-40, too. Around 10:14 AM and 10:25 AM, they received an info about the poor visibility (due to the fog), reduced to nearby 400 m. At 10:37 AM, it was transmitted to the crew that the visibility now is further reduced to around 200 m. Quoting the rest about moments before the crash (which took place at 10:41 AM) from :

The crew continued preparations for an approach to runway 26 at the Smolensk Air Base. The cockpit door was open and during the approach there were two passengers present on the flight deck.

Meanwhile, visibility worsened to 200 m. This information was transmitted to the crew at 10:37. The crew requested permission to carry out a 'trial' approach to decision height (100 m) and asked the controller to expect a go around.

About 18 seconds before impact the terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS) sounded: "Pull up", followed by an aural warning: "TERRAIN AHEAD". About 5 seconds before impact the autopilot and autothrottle were disconnected in order to execute a go around. The airplane contacted upsloping terrain at a distance of about 1100 meters from the runway and 40 m to the left of extended centreline. The aircraft height at that point was 15 m below the level of the runway threshold. The left wing struck a large tree causing the airplane to roll inverted. The Tu-154 crashed and broke up.

All 96 people on board died, 8 of them being the crew members. List of the victims and who they were:

You can read English version of flight recordings here, in the last section: Here's the recording, last words recorded (Aaa..., kurwa!) being around 19:11. Skip to 18:40 for the last part with TAWS communicates.

Here's detailed explanation of what could happen and why but from non-conspiracy side: Quoting just a short part:

The immediate cause of the accident was the failure of the crew to take a timely decision to proceed to an alternate airdrome although they were not once timely informed on the actual weather conditions at Smolensk "Severny" Airdrome that were significantly lower than the established airdrome minima; descent without visual contact with ground references to an altitude much lower than minimum descent altitude for go around (100 m) in order to establish visual flight as well as no reaction to the numerous TAWS warnings which led to controlled flight into terrain, aircraft destruction and death of the crew and passengers.

According to the conclusion made by the pilot-experts and aviation psychologists, the presence of the Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Air Forces in the cockpit until the collision exposed psychological pressure on the PIC's decision to continue descent in the conditions of unjustified risk with a dominating aim of landing at any means.

If you wanted to check how the ruling party enthusiats narration (so the conspiracy and explosions one) looks like, check e.g. there:

One of the first videos recorded of the aftermath scene (recorded by a Russian; may be the first one):

Most of these videos recorded immadietely after the crash popping up as first after YT search aren't even the originals. First video I linked was the most analyzed. People quickly went into 100% conspiracy mode, marking alleged silhouettes, survivors, screams of asking for mercy, shots and blasts. '[at] 0:11 you hear the shots' became a meme; timestamps varied a bit. It ended up in someone uploading an aftermath footage version with sounds from Saving Private Ryan put over the original ones, and marking the timestamp for the shots. Soon, not only the 'alternate versions' of Smoleńsk plane crash aftermath were included in these jokes. '[you] hear the shots [there]' ('słychać strzały', very rough translation) was a meme not tied to the crash, but just to a specific time in Polish politics history.

Here another video from a different part of the crash area (recorded by a Polish journalist). It's recognized e.g. by 'Ja pierdolę, to nasz!' (after 2:23), which translates to 'Oh fuck, it's our [one]!':

Here is long version, also the one recorded by the Sławomir Wiśniewski, as shown in a Russian TV news:

He later recalled both this day and the follow-up (e.g. here,1, ). At first, he wanted to record the landing, curious how it would go in the dense fog. Due to ongoing construction works right behind the window, he had to turn off the camera around 8 AM. Initially, he only knew that some Polish plane crashed - not that's the specific one with the president, first lady and 18 Polish parliament members on board. Wiśniewski was stopped by the Russians (I'm not sure if that was about the police, military or feds), who confiscated his tape - he gave away some other one, though. A militaryman guarding him asked about the other tapes, but peviously the journalist skipped the tape till the empty parts - so just showed there's nothing recorded. Some right-wingers' media started to mess Wiśniewski up with another TVP journalist, Krzysztof Knyż, who was working in Russia for years and e.g. covered the Nord-Ost siege (I had a post about Dubrovka Theater hostage crisis, check it out if you want!). Some claimed he was one of the first ones on spot and his tapes were destroyed by the Russians to hide... no idea what. But Knyż couldn't even be there, as he was staying in the hospital with sepsis (pneumonia complication), dying few weeks later. There were more fake news about Wiśniewski's dead, not related to the previously mentioned journalist, but that's IMO off-topic at this point.

If you want to know more about the political and social aspect of this drama, check e.g. this interview: Tl;dr what is this about:

Hours after a 2010 plane crash in Russia that killed Poland’s president, philosopher and professor Zbigniew Mikołejko predicted that it would show how “similarly to a religion, a disaster may be transformed into a socio-political scheme.”

Here, Natalia Ojewska speaks to Mikołejko about the meaning of “Smolensk religion”, who its followers are and how it is helping to win elections.

AFTERMATH. GORE TIME! :marseytroublemaker:

All the pictures below showing the bodies were published in 2012. At first, they appeared on WordPress blog (

General view on crash scene with bodies visible:

Here the president:

Closer look at some bodies:

Other aftermath pics:


Photos I've showed in the previous section come from 2012. Back then and later, there were some fake news about e.g. 'leaked' photos of victims' belongings, which actually were already publicly accessible. Just another reason for making a drama and moralstragging.

A special government commission published the new report in April 2022. It contained thousands of appendices. One appendix, though, contained uncensored photos of the corpses. I'm not sure about the extent of the photos, apart from that: some (dunno how many) were already circulating; president's body was included (nothing new, too); and they were selective, as not all of the victims were shown. It was requested frorm the Head of the Ministry of National Defence to take a proper actions. Case was handled to the Military Counterintelligence Service. On 12th of May 2022, it became publicly known that the investigation is finished. Details about who weren't responsible for not securing the gov websites properly weren't released to the public.


My opinion on this crash haven't changed much over the previous decade, even thought I was barely even a teenager back then. Some people can't handle their emotions, not just the grief, making the families of the victims suffer for years. A few of them are their relatives. It's all still open, as black boxes and wreck are still in Russia. Monthly anniversary ceremonies (monthliversaries?) are still held. Not so often now, but some aspects of this tragedy are still becoming a meme (e.g. this sculpture dedicated to the victims in 2018:ńskiej_2010_roku_w_Warszawie).

What else was a topic of some dark jokes very soon after the crash? For example a banners from the beer company Lech, with slogan 'Zimny Lech'. As 'zimny' means cold and Lech was the name of the president, you can guess the rest. Various jokes were circulating in relation to the crash details, e.g. that when the president was a boy, he was always playing football as a left-winger.

Cross set near the Presidential Palace to honour the victims was quickly turned into a focal point of some conflicts with these who didn't want the cross there. Videos with screams 'Gdzie jest krzyż' ('Where's the cross?') were made into a remix, and few flash games appeared. Here's the description of one of them.

On the website [meaning] we impersonate a woman defending the cross, likely Mrs Joanna, and try to stop the devil's hordes of the traitors of Poland - as the creators advertise the game on their website. We throw the grave candles at the scouts, priests and city guards, who want to take the cross from the vicinity of Presidential Palace. If we don't shoot them down, they'll come and take the cross away from us.

Here's fragment of a TV News relating to it. Summary: one of the first videos going viral (IIRC, no one was using this word in 2010) relating to the 'defenders of the cross' hit 4 mln views in a 10 months. Some of the most dedicated 'defenders' ware still protesting there, and one of them - Mr Andrzej shown here - is proud and even hoping for more.

In 2014, 'panzer birch' meme made it into a flash game being a clone of Flappy Bird. Basically, it's nothing deeper about it - simple 'game' created in generator released by the original game creators. It was just a brick in the black humour wall.

There are also 'monthly anniversaries', the upcoming one in April will be 156th one and also a 'normal' anniversary. Here the most recent one:

About what they're screaming in this video. 'Balbina' is a female name, here meaning a nickname for then-president's twin brother, 'Balbina - twoja wina' means 'Balbina, it's your fault'. 'Kazałeś lądować bratu?' means 'You told your brother to land?', and 'Gdzie jest wrak'- 'Where's the wreck?'. The 'eight stars' (visible e.g. on a t-shirt of one of the protestants) became a symbol during the pandemic, meaning 'Jebać PiS' (just fuck the current ruling party).

I can't actually summarize it well enough to make it clear for everyone. Even when living there, as a non-activist I've lost track of the events long ago. Due to the character of these 'celebrations', political drama and clashes of police with activists (e.g. Lotna Brygada Opozycji, which name loosely translates to 'Flying Opposition Squad'), access to the area is restricted.

Some of the problems were allegedly 'causing a commotion during the religious celebrations'. Prosecution contacted the Archdiocese of Warsaw, and according to them 'monthly anniversaries' of Smoleńsk plane crash aren't a religious celebrations. So during the previous 'celebrations' (February 2022) some of the activists let the police know. In the beginning of the videos, they ask for the commander to come here for a talk about the 'safety of the gathering':

Just go on the YouTube and search for 'miesięcznica smoleńska' if you want to see the newest editions of that monthly event.

My stance on this gatherings currently is: :marseypopcorntime:


I saw it available for download as a mega link on a 4plebs thread. It was most likely just downloaded from the channel itself.


-> GUNSHOT AT 6:01 <-

-> MOM WALKS IN AT 7:05 <-

-> POLICE ENTER AT 16:00 <-


The note he pushed under the door said something along the lines of 'I am dead, do not let the kids see my body. Goodbye.' and the note he held up read 'BYE /R9K/ 3/14/18'

Shuaib Aslam was a resident of Stockton, California, USA. He killed himself on March 14, 2018 at around 3 pm. He was 18 years old at the time. He had owned two shotguns however he chose the KSG-12 to shoot himself. He was in a discord call at the time with 4 friends and he lived with his Mom (49 years old in 2018), Dad (56), Sister (17) and baby sister (6).

he had many accounts, here's a list with the links:








here is the original link to the livestream in which he killed himself:

a tribute post made by his family after his death:

subreddit about him:

he also had a Google+ account but he didn't post anything

fun facts:

you might have seen that he had a MyAnimeList account, he was a very big weeaboo and liked to talk about anime with his friends on /r9k/ (his go-to 4Chan board) and Discord.

on Discord he went under the name "Deadbot" with this profile picture:

he was also a NEET (Not in Education, Employment or Training) which means he didn't want to go to school and didn't want to work (one of the reasons why he killed himself)

some pictures of Shuaiby Aslam without his mask posted to FaceBook:

he also considered himself an incel and praised Elliot Rodger, even going as far as to say "he died for our sins", and quoting his manifesto in chat with other people:

he was also known for wanting to shoot up his school and for his homicidal thoughts:

and he even wrote a fan-fiction about shooting up his school and killing his classmates:

more pictures of his KSG shotgun:



OCTOBER 31, 1999 -- MARCH 14, 2018

Credit to: @shootergirl for the info.

EFFORTPOST Nord-Ost siege or Moscow theater hostage crisis :marseysoldierrussia: (3 vids, 30+ photos, and enough reading)

TL;DR: In the evening of 23rd of October 2002, in Dubrovka Theater (Moscow) terrorists entered the stage, interrupting the play - Nord-Ost. It turned into 57 hours siege. Around 900 people were now hostages of 42 terrorists (both numbers given differently; I'll write more on it later). Around 5AM on 26th of October, Russian special forces released gas of unknown composition into the auditorium through the air conditioning system. It killed more than 120 hostages (overally, up to 130 casualties' including around 10 children), and 10 years later it was determined to consist of various fentanyl derivatives. Feds and specnaz stormed the building 20 to 30 minutes later, killing most of the unconscious terrorists point-blank.

Some controversies and unanswered question follow up to this day - not only relating to the storming itself and gas composition. Some of the deceased could have been saved, but were ignored / missed or just assumed to be dead. Lack of communication between the officials and media worsened the grief of these losing relatives in the attack - they didn't know why it even happened. If you just want to see gore without reading anything, go to section 3. [Probably there will be EDITS or some additions]

Sections go as follows:

  1. How events unfolded. Short video here.

  2. Timeline of the events - videos from the inside included. Approximate time for important events, apart from storming the building.

  3. Storming and the aftermath - gore time!. I know you love dead terrorists (and more).

  4. Comment on gas used and unanswered questions. Mostly links, otherwise it'd all go too long.

For these interested in similar events, who haven't seen post from 2 months ago about Beslan school: In post-WTC reality, barely anything was spectacular enough to catch Western media attention when it comes to terrorism relating to Russia-Chechnya conflict. Both Beslan and Nord-Ost sieges did it.

⠀⠀HOW EVENTS UNFOLDED :marseyquestion:

Here's map with Dubrovka theater location (no scale given, but theater lies around 4 km SE from Kremlin):

On 19th of October 2002, Dubrovka Theater for the first time staged new musical Nord-Ost (based on the novel The Two Captains from 1944; summary: ). It was advertised as he first Russian world-class musical, and one of the ad slogans was 'The best night out in Moscow!'. Surely it wasn't the case for these who came to see the show on 23rd of October.

During the second act, unidentified men in uniforms entered the stage and interrupted the performance. As Chechen war was still an important topic, some spectators assumed it may be part of the screenplay. Their views changed when shots were fired in the air and everyone present there declared hostage.

Numbers are given variably, both for the overall numbers and these for visitors / actors / employees. I'll stick to 'around 900' hostages; possibly about 700 of them were spectators. Range is given from approximately 800 to 979 hostages in total. A great part of this difference may be explained by not accounting 75 people who were in the building during the attack (hence none of them is included in the number of the victims).

Here's a short video, beginning around a minute before:

Till the midnight, it was known who is the leader of the group and how many people it consists of. Few managed to escape within the first hours of the attack. Group consisted of around 40 militants, which is again not a fixed number. Most legit is either 'around 40' or 42. Proportions of men to women were similar, one source mentions 21 men and around 20 women. They arrived in small groups, usually a few days before the attack and by bus; Barayev himself arrived by train on 14th of October, with two militants.


First, check this scheme. Surprisingly, there were very few decent schemes (or I suck at searching for them). Comment above the drawing is incorrect / outdated info:

⠀23rd of October:

9:15 PM: unidentified group (witnesses just pointed out their uniforms) enter the building, interrupt the show and declare both the audience and actors their hostages. Explosives were put in various spots.

9:00 PM: it was known that militants are Chechen rebels led by Movsar Barayev. Eyewitnesses claimed there were 35 to 40 of them, and among them were women, all equipped with explosives. Reinforced police officers were sent to the inside.

11:05 PM: five actors locked in the changing room managed to escape.

11:30 PM: military equipment is brought inside the building. Around that time, 7 employees (technicians) managed to escape from the room they lock themselves in.

Video with various scenes, go to 5:30 for footage from inside the auditorium:

⠀24th of October

Midnight: building of the Theater Center on Melnikova street is compleetely blocked. Operatives are trying to contact the terrorists. 15 children were released with few more people, including women, foreigners and Muslims.

0:30 AM: during the negotiations militants demand a ceasefire and withdrawal of troops from Chechnya.

2:00 AM: State Duma deputee Aslambek Aslakhanov negotiates with Barayev, no agreement is made.

3:50 AM: two school-aged children released.

5:30 AM: 26 yo Olga Nikolaevna Romanova enters the building, gets into a squirmish with Barayev, then is brought out and executed on the corridor.

10:20 AM to 12:50 AM: terrorists demand the arrival of the representative of the Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders, with one condition: no Russians. Later, they demand participation of a journalist Anna Politkovskaya and two politicians - Irina Hakamada and Grigory Yavlinsk.

3:35 PM: Joseph Kobzon and Irina Hakamada, a representative of State Duma, arrive to the House of Culture. During negotiations, terrorists claimed they can let go 50 of hostages if the officials could bring here Akhmat Kadyrov (Head of the Administration of the Chechen Republic). After a half an hour, negotiators left.

5:00 PM: people responsible for picking up the body of Olga Romanova enter the House of Culture; after around 15 minutes body gets transported to the ambulance, and these responsible return to the Theater Center.

6:31 PM: two girls, Elena Zinoviev and Svetlana Kononova, escape through the window while going to toilet. Terrorists failed to shoot them, instead injuring Major Konstantin Zhuravlev (from Alpha group) who was covering them.

7:00 PM: Al-Jazeera news broadcasts the appeal of Movsar Barayev recorder a few days before the siege. Barayev states there that militants belong to the diversion-intelligence brigade of righteous martyrs and demands the withdrawal of Russian troops from Chechnya.

9:39 PM: according to the updated data, 39 hostages were released since the beginning of the siege.

11:05 PM: State Duma deputy Grigory Yavlinsky arrives to the House of Culture and talks with terrorists for 50 minutes.

⠀25th of October

1:30 AM: Leonid Roshal enters the building with NTV correspondent Sergey Deduh and cameraman Anton Perelsky. They spend around 40 minutes there, managing to talk to terrorists and six hostages.

12:34 AM: representatives of the Red Cross bring away 8 children (aged 6 to 12 yo) from the theater.

2:50 PM: Leonid Roshal with a journalist Anna Politovskaya enter the House of Culture, bringing three large bags filled with water bottles and personal hygiene items to the hostages.

3:30 PM: Vladimir Putin meets with the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB in the Kremlin; leaders of Duma associations participate, too. FSB director Nikolai Patrushev declared that the authorities may spare the terrorists' lives, if they free all the hostages.

5:00 PM to 8:20 PM: terrorists convey through a journalist Sergey Govorukhin that they refuse participating in further negotiations.

Footage from NTV journalists - including Chechen rebels interview - was already posted, but here's a higher quality composite photo made from around 150 stillshots from the footage (

Not all identities are given. The woman standing on the left is Zura Barayeva, widow of Arbi Barayev. Movsar Barayev is the man sitting with face uncovered, and the woman right to him is Kyira (no surname given), 24 yo university student whose husband, brother and cousin were killed by the Russian forces.

⠀26th of October (before the storm)

0:30 AM to 2:00 AM: one of the hostages becomes hysteric, rushing with a bottle towards a terrorist, who was staying next to an explosive device. Militants open fire, but miss and instead of the man wound two other hostages (Tamara Starkova and Pavel Zakharov). They allowed for the hostages to be taken down the first floor, then calling an ambulance staff to the building.

The next section will cover events between slightly before the 5 AM until 6:30 AM, when an official representative of FSB reported that the theater was controlled by special forces, and the aftermath on the same day.

Two plain schemes published in BBC News. Image size was originally small, so text may be barely readable (click to enlarge):

First-hand accounts portraying emotions and conditions during the siege are no less important than just describing the events. I'll only leave quotes here.

Gubareva said she feared for her daughter's life from the very beginning. When Sasha asked permission to go to the theater's restroom, she had to cross the foyer, putting her in the sights of Chechen gunmen who were covering the exits.

Later, so many people were demanding to visit the restroom that the attackers ordered them to use the orchestra pit instead. The stench slowly made its way through the theater, Gubareva said, but a broken window in the foyer provided some relief.

[...] The attackers brought some food from the theater snack bars and distributed it among the hostages. [...] Gubareva said she was too scared to eat but was very thirsty. Bottles of Fanta, Cola-Cola and mineral water from the snack bars ran out quickly, and hostages were offered tap water from the restroom.

[...] The captors did not allow loud conversation or movements around the hall, so the theater was eerily quiet except for the shooting, she said. The Chechens shot at the doorways every time they heard a rustle outside. At one point, a young man near the back row got up and started to jump over the backs of the seats, and shots were fired directly into the hall, wounding a woman.

For more from this woman, check link below to The Moscow Times. She also described few interactions with the terrorists, and how they released some of the children. The first account linked is an interview with LiveJournal user (proving being a survivor by hospital release papers from October 2002), who describe e.g. his obervations of the terrorists. They differed in approach towards the hostages, from brutal and threatening through mixed to some more understanding or everyday ones.

A few randomly chosen survivors' accounts: (in a form of the interview) (one I mostly quoted above) (not about the event itself, but losing relative there)


Around 5:00 AM of 26th of October, gas of unknown composition was released into the auditorium through air conditioning system. Around 5:10 AM lights illuminating the main entrance to the theater went out. Terrorists previously warned that if lights run off, it may be time to kill the hostages. Shortly after, FSB agents and Special Forces units stormed the building. At 5:30 AM, three explosion sounds could be heard. Short fire exchange took place. Special units Alpha and Vimpel (AT) gather around Theater Center. Seizing the building finished around 6:30 AM. Over next half an hour, rescue and medical teams were gathering around the main building. On 7:25 AM, president's assistant Sergey Yastrzembsky announced the end of the hostage rescue operation. On 8:00 AM, Deputy Head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Vladimir Vasiliev reported that 36 of the terrorists were killed, more than 750 hostages released, and 67 dead bodies recovered so far. Problems with reliability of data started from not reporting death of a few children among these 67. Rest of controversies should be described separately. Operational headquarters finished its work on 1:45 PM.

Unknown composition of the gas used made it harder to treat the survivors. Initially it was unknown, and later assumptions that it was an anaesthetic or chemical warfare agent didn't help. These who died either choked on vomit or suffocated. Improper transport caused some casualties, as some of the hostages were pulled on their backs, even though they were likely to throw up. These put in the buses having their head leaned backward were also in risk of choking on vomit.

Video from the storming and some aftermath gore:

Selected pictures from this site: Go there for more (and all non-gory ones). Women first:

Onest I haven't sorted, including the general view for the auditorium:

Men, nice closeup first:

Multiple bodies scenes:


Exact composition of the gas wasn't known until 2012, when results of the analysis of leftovers was published in a study. Material studied consisted of samples from urine and clothes, secured soon after the incident. Initially, only this was disclosed:

On October 30, Russia responded to increasing domestic and international pressure with a statement by its Health Minister, Yuri Shevchenko (1), who identified the aerosol as that of a fentanyl derivative, although the precise composition was not disclosed. Shevchenko stated that fentanyl was an anaesthetic that fell into the category of non-lethal medical preparations and that the troops had not used any substances prohibited by the Chemical Weapons Convention.

From the study conclusions:

The finding that the aerosol comprised carfentanil and remifentanil is consistent with the outcome arising from its use, for literature data suggest little margin of safety between their therapeutic and lethal doses in humans, and a high lethality in the absence of prompt and appropriate medical intervention. It is highly improbable that a chemical agent exists for which a dose can be calibrated in a tactical environment to incapacitate opponents reliably and without substantial mortality.

Not only the use of gas seemed questionable, but this would go too far into political off-topic. As there's enough text, I'll leave mainly links here. E.g. here are some unanswered questions about the decisions taken during the storming: Keep in mind I link it just relating to questions there, not siding with any media which I don't know. More issues listed here: - relating to the operation. Here: come the descriptions of the problems with e.g. lack of medical exams on some unconsciouss hostages (just assumed to be dead).

⠀⠀SOURCES :marseysalutepride: (main ones / for edits later) (in general) (on gas composition analysis) (they give multiple references to media news or articles as sources),33009,411388,00.html

CHILD WARNING EFFORTPOST [CW] :marseyflagbrazil: Woman was fatally stabbed by her brother-in-law, her kid records the moments after

Photo above: victim when still alive. News case from June 2022, details below the video. Tl;dr: dude was badly beating his partner, she left him and found a safe place in the house of her sister - suspect's sister-in-law. He didn't like it, came there to harm (explained below the video) the ex-partner. Her sister, so his sister-in-law, tried to protect that woman, ending up killed by fatal stab to the neck (died on spot). Six of her kids witnessed it.

About 'WTF is going on here?' - no moment of the attack is clearly shown, although one source states it was caught on the video. Victim is walking bloodied from the neck down, one in striped top and pink shorts, until around 0:30 when you see her sister(?) checking on her. If the moment of the attack was shown, it has to be at max around 0:10.

About harm. It was hard to me as for someone not speaking Portugese to figure out what happened. Tthe phrase used means he wanted to take her by force, so I don't know whether it was an euphemism for sexual assault, or it means he wanted to force ex-partner to get back and live with him. I'd bet for the latter.


The murder happened in the evening of 20th of July 2022, in the community of Gameleiro, municipality of Lagarto, state of Sergipe (it's on Brazil's eastern coast, one of the most eastern states).

31 yo Edilene Maria dos Santos was working on the field, scraping cassava roots. Her brother-in-law approached her and stabbed in the neck, with no resistance on her side. Victim tried to defend her sister, so guy's ex-partner, while receiving the fatal blow. After walking short distance, she fell down unconscious. SAMU arrived at the scene, but only confirmed the death. Lagarto City Hall's Social Assistance offered support for the family, including the burial.

Despite some locals and the woman's 6 children witnessing the scene, the man fled in an unknown direction. He was arrested next day, in the afternoon (21st of June), in the village of Fazenda Grande - close to the crime scene. Jailson Souza Silva, nicknamed Mangueirão, has already served some time for a theft. Initial information referred to his ex-partner unprecized mental health problems and her being beaten on regular by Jailson. Later news confirmed it, stating that they had a long relationship; ex-partner's family was against it. When Jailson found out that ex-partner is housed by his sister-in-law, he came there to initiate the reunion (sorry, I can't find a better word for such a twisted idea). Edilene tried to defend that woman from Jailson, ending up killed. A delegate from some unit focused on vulnerable groups stated that the suspect can be charged with a femicide - so murder of a woman he was in close relationship with.

SOURCES :marseysalutepride:

EFFORTPOST (Madagascar) Protesting student tortured and brought away by gendarmes

Video below - from 1st of September 205 - shows Malagasy gendarmes transporting a student from a university campus to the truck. Place and time is given in the video, rest of the info (and context - about protests in general) is below. University mentioned lies in Antananarivo, Ankatso is part of this city. Enjoy.


Tensions rose at the University of Antananarivo in Ankatso, Madagascar, when a student was badly beaten by police during a violent demonstration against striking lecturers. Students who had been protesting about the strike by the union SECES – Syndicat des Enseignants Chercheurs de l’Enseignement Supérieur – which had halted courses for nearly two months, gathered on the campus.

It's 1st year student Jean-Pierre Randrianamboarina, who was later taken for questioning. He needed medical help afterward, although the extent of the injuries isn't specified. He was apprehended during previous protests, too. Despite law and constitution providing for inviolability of the person, it's known that security forces did (report I'll quote is from 2016) abuse or torture subjects both mentally or physically. It was back then reported by media and NGOs. Students' protests continued after this you guy's arrest. Commander of the gendarmerie, General Rakotomahanina Florens, justified the behaviour of his officers against Randrianamboarina. He claimed the student had put up resistance and gendarmes only had to immobilize him. At the same time, it was not in dispute [...] that the student had received punches, kicks and blows, and had been dragged across the ground and hit with truncheons. As you see - tased, too. I'm not sure why they wanted to question him about, one of sources mentioned stirring up coup d'etat - absurd explanation matching absurd definition of immobilizing someone.


In follow-up to the investigation of the 2015 arrest of student movement leader Jean Pierre Randrianamboarina, the gendarmerie recognized excessive use of force by some of its members and referred the case for a judicial investigation that ended on February 4 with disciplinary sanctions against several officers. No information was available regarding the specific sanctions applied.

Quoting more on human rights abuse by Malagasy security forces:

The government arrested and imprisoned a few security force members during the year. On May 14, a police inspector was arrested for drug possession after gendarmes found five bags of marijuana in his car. On July 20, a police officer was among nine persons arrested for involvement in a series of kidnappings in Antananarivo.

On August 6, the Court of Antananarivo committed a police officer from the “Service Antigang” unit to the high security prison of Tsiafahy after the officer was suspected of being involved in a holdup in Ampanefy, a locality in southwestern Antananarivo under gendarmerie jurisdiction. The media reported five other police officers, including one working for the presidency, were investigated in the same incident but were not arrested by the gendarmerie.

In October 2015 a Malagasy gendarme officer serving as part of the UN peacekeeping force in the Democratic Republic of the Congo was accused of sexual exploitation of a domestic employee. A UN investigation was pending at year’s end. In June the Ministry of Foreign Affairs reported the officer had been disciplined after an investigation.

SOURCES :marseysalutepride:

EFFORTPOST 18 yo woman with scars from heated knife - abusive partner arrested 10 months later :marseyflagbrazil: (video and news)

First of all, sorry for this retarded caps lock and unreadable rainbow text - it's forced and will deactivate tomorrow. Copy of text:

18 yo woman from Colonia do Majari (municipality of Porto de Moz, in southwest Pará) runned away from her partner on 2nd of July 2021. Identity of people helping her first wasn't revealed. She claimed that partner kept her detained / captive and tortured simply for enjoyment. Rest of details and story under the video. Perpetrator were finally arrested in May 2022.

First news appeared at max on 6th of July 2021. According to the witnesses, wishing to stay anonymous, young woman run away from abusive boyfriend and searched for help on the street. They noticed burn marks and other injuries suggesting she was tortured. The couple was living in a quite remote house, located near the river and forest, around 1 km from other residential buildings.

Municipal social workers took her to the police station for a report and giving testimony. She previously described the events to these offering help first. Girl told that her partner tied her up, muffled or gagged (translation problems here), heated the knife and burned her, as you see in the video. A reason given was just satisfaction. On other opportunities, he was also sticking needles in the girlfriend's arms. Woman comes from municipality of Portel (around 150 km from Porto de Moz), in Marajo, from where he would have fled or moved (unclear) to live with her partner.

Initially, it was just stated that the perpetrator wasn't located. Updated news come from 23d of September 2021. Military Police went after Jumar Barros Marques, who - according to reports - was seen in a community located near the Majari River. He started shooting, initiating an exchange of fire with the MP, but managed to escape across the river. Police searched his home, finding homemade weapons, lead and pipe(s). It was reported to the Civil Police. Dude received nickname Lázaro do Xingu after these events, you can look him up Google Images. Both his lawyer and his family (as lawyer claimed) had no idea about his whereabouts.

Former friends of Jumar claimed that he has been behaving violently before this incident. Numerous complaints have emerged and were investigated separately. Among them is e.g. complaint from former partner, who stated that Jumar burned her genital area (not precised). It was meant to be a form of 'branding', for future partners to know. Apart from branded girl, who also received death threats if revealing what happened, there was also mention of drawing blood from a person not identified. He reportedly had the same tactic: initiating contact with yet another girl, then torturing her.

Finally, abuser was arrested on 5th of May 2022. He tried to change his body appearance, including the tattoos. Due to the widespread media coverage, these attempts failed. Back then, it was said he should be charged with physical and psychological torture, attempted murder and false / unlawful imprisonment (cárcere privado).

SOURCES :marseysalutepride:

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CHILD WARNING EFFORTPOST [CW] :marseyflagbrazil: 'Witches of Guaratuba' - a murder of 6 yo boy with crazy story behind it, which may not even be true

This case and directly relating ones are mentioned under few names - as 'case of Evandro' (Caso Evandro), 'witches of Guaratuba' (As Bruxas de Guaratuba) or 'Guaratuba child murders'. Important note: this case is mostly covered in Portugese. However, it's highly complicated: in 2015 (or 2016), there were 60 volumes and above 20,000 pages of legal proceeding. (EDITS may and likely will come!)

Tl;dr: ...hardly possible to do. Evandro Ramos Caetano, 6 yo at the time, disappeared on a way from school to home (roughly 100 m) on 6th of April 1992. Was found a few days later, in decay, with some body parts missing (including internal organs). 7 people in total were arrested in July 1992, and reportedly some of them confessed to sacrificing a boy in a ritual relating to black magic or witchcraft. Here begin problems: both relating to obtaining confessions (torture and other abuse of power involved), local personal affairs (who was whose family, friend, co-worker,...), political affairs (starting from the two of the arrested being city mayor's relatives) and involvement of Evandro's cousin, described in last section. There is also suicide of one expert, edited tapes, and more.

Sections go as follows:

  1. Body examination roughly shown, mainly head and teeth. Only gore here - apart from graphic descriptions - is in this video.

  2. Disappearance and body discovery.

  3. Initial confessions, their content and problem with the way of obtaining them.

  4. Convictions, problems at the time (or newer ones) and drama following for years.


Keep in mind that the corpse was already rotting, so skip it if you'd rather think of the boy as in the photo above.

From 0:00 to around 2:25, there's text running on screen (mentions what persons and facilities are responsible for identification). Then up to 3:40, general look for a body. Next - some close-ups. After 5:20, oral cavity examination starts. 8:17 to 8:35 - look for extracted mandible. Maxilla extraction follows.

I couldn't trace down the source of this video (posted a month ago on a website I took it from). Two things I found was some Redditor feeling offended by people who'd even want to see this and a thread on some forum ( about the video being shocking. It was from 2022, got over 40 pages of discussion, but moderators closed it and currently the whole thread is down (just some leftovers in cache). I'm not sure how it was leaked; someone that thread on pandlr mentioned telegram, and so did someone in comments here: but in relation to photos only. Funny part is: it was stated that stated pictures and video weren't leaked, but mod closed down thread because of moralstragging not wishing people to exchange photos or videos there. What would be the point of doing so, if materials were really unavailable?

Google and Brave Search (own crawler + Google index) doesn't show some threads, Bing does show (and have it cached, contrary to Google), but also there's mention of some results being deleted.

Anyway, family was already shocked/re-traumatized over photos of the corpse being displayed before internet gore era: (news from March 1998, relating to trial exhibition).

For Portugese speakers, about details of what was found:

PROJETO HUMANOS :marseyjamming:

Here it's time to mention Projeto Humanos. Its goal is 'to tell the real stories of the real people'. Case of Evandro wasn't the only one covered within this project, but it gave the best recognition to Ivan Mizanzuk - university professor, writer, podcast producer (since 2011) and independent journalist. Podcast about Evandro's case has 37 episodes - these 'basic' ones, not including additional materials. Mizanzuk was granted access to all of 60 volumes and above 20,000 pages of legal proceeding. One of the introductory pages, dated October 2018, mentions that preparations for this project/podcast took 3 years.


Evandro Ramos Caetano, 6 yo at the time, was 3rd son of Maria Caetano and Ademir Caetano, born on 12th of September, 1985. He had classes in the afternoon, but his mother was a school employee and Evandro accompanied her at work. In the morning of 6th of April, Evandro told mother he forgot to take the minigame and went back home to pick it up. School was around 100 meters away from their house, both in Cohapar neighbourhood. Maria returned home for lunch, but minigame was still there - Evandro vanished on his way home.

Locals and family started to look for a missing boy, and a day later (on Tuesday), elite police group TIGRE joined the search. On 11th of April 1992, Saturday, in a thicket near their home kid's body was discovered by a woodcutter, who spotted vultures (urubus - the ones closer to condors than what you usually think of as 'vultures'). Look at the map below for detailed location. It was already decayed enough to make identification problematic (by the way, here's data for climate in Parana: mind that Guaratuba lies on the coast, too). The corpse lacked the scalp, eyes, hands, few toes, part of left thigh and internal organs; the abdomen was cut open. The shorts and a key found nearby hinted at Evandro; on the same day the body was found, Ademir recognized it as his son by a little birthmark on the back. A few days later, to everyone's surprise, the slippers were found - nearly clean. One of them was lost during collecting evidence.

It wasn't mentioned what exactly did carrion-eating birds ate from what was lacking from the corpse. I didn't search further, but assume that if it was important, it'd be mentioned right away.

Here's map of body localization (taken from page 12 of this document: ). 1 - body, 2 - plastic bag, 3 - limestone, 4 - tergal pants/trousers, 5 - victim's house, located 1,900 m from body location, 6 - Municipal School, R - housing areas. The area marked as Mata Nativa is a native forest patch.


In October 2022, Evandro's case was resurfaced in connection to disappearance of another boy in Guaratuba, Leandro Bossi. He was 7 yo when vanished on 15th of February 1992. On 10th of October 2022, during press conference it was confirmed that Leandro is deceased. It was known since June 2022, though. Material for DNA tests was obtained from bone fragments, but it's not released to the public when and how they were found - just that in 1993 in some thickets. Polícia Civil (PCPR) and Polícia Científica do Paraná were responsible for collection of genetic material and identification. Serviço de Investigação de Crianças Desaparecidas (Sicride) collected DNA samples from the family in 2021. It left relatives both relieved and disappointed - they could know 29 years earlier what happened. During this time, Leandro was simply considered missing - and so did 26 other kids from Parana in the October 2022.

Other sources (also from 2022) say it's 28 kids; as they're from before October 2022, too, I assume that Leandro Bossi must be one of two children found. I didn't yet found out who was the second kid.


Up from this point, the case goes really complicated, and I'd rather spare you walls of text. For these interested, Projeto Humanos has abstracts for every podcast episode, so with autotranslation you can get tl;dr for its content. Apart from problems with obtaining the confessions, there's also a lot of backstory on 'who (allegedly) said what' and personal stories between some of the people involved (or maybe involved) in Evandro's disappearance.

On 2nd of July 1992, three men confess that they killed Evandro in a ritual that would have been commissioned by Celina Abagge. In total, 7 people were arrested:

  1. Father Osvaldo Marcineiro. Important note - during the searches (on Tuesday, so quite early), he stated he felt 'something different' about the place where the body was later discovered. It was dark and he considered it unlikely for the body to be there, so the spot wasn't checked right away;

  2. Vicente de Paula Ferreira, Marcineiro's friend and colleague;

  3. Davi dos Santos Soares, craftsman and vice-president of the Guaratuba artisans association;

  4. Celina Abagge (wife of the then mayor of the city, Aldo Abagge);

  5. Beatriz Abagge (daughter of Aldo Abbage), reportedly helping with the ritual;

  6. Francisco Sérgio Cristofolini (neighbour of Osvaldo Marcineiro, and son of the owner [or owner?] of the property in which Marcineiro resided);

  7. Airton Bardelli (employee at the Abagge sawmill).

Here they are:

Five of them confessed to the crime - Beatriz, Celina, Osvaldo, Vicente and Davi - some on audio tapes, others on video. Cristofolini and Bardelli were only denying their involvement in alleged 'ritual'.

On a cassette tape that was released by the press at the time, Celina and Beatriz confessed that they sacrificed the boy. According to the first five people mentioned above, the ritual would have taken place in the Abagge sawmill, on the outskirts of Guaratuba. The ritual would have cost 15 million cruzeiros (Brazil's currency until 1994), so around 1050$. Its aim would be to open the paths of fortune and politics for the Abagge family.

Here's the recording. Below quote is one of the comments from YT, autotranslated and slightly corrected (grammar or wording, question marks added by me).

There's a part where the daughter is speaking and her mother says it's a lie, and the daughter desperately tries to convince her to say it's true, otherwise they'll be tortured even more. Then her mother says: if you're saying it, it's true. This [is?] at 10:57 and 11:40. Very clear that they were tortured to say what the police wanted. Not made up(?) at the time by them, the police passed [them?] the script before recording and as they forgot, the police reminded(? about the script?) and they agreed.

Police suspected that the group may be responsible for the vanishing of other children, e.g. Guilherme Tiburtius. He disappeared on 17th of June 1991, in a good neighbourhood in Curitiba (also Parana; around 90 km in straight line from Guaratuba). He became a symbol of early 1990s kid disappearances in Parana; his case remains unsolved (as of early 2022; but no news later, too).


As you see, there's already a wall of text, and I barely got past 1992. So here's the place for tl;dr of what happened next and mention of a few 'special' problems emerging during the proceedings.

In 2004, Osvaldo Marcineiro, Davi dos Santos and Vicente de Paula were convicted of the murder and returned to prison. The latter died in 2011 due to cancer complications.

Airton Bardelli and Francisco Sergio Cristofolini, who never admitted to participating in the crime, were acquitted in 2005.

In 2011, a new jury was held, in which Beatriz Abagge was sentenced to 21 years in prison. Celine wasn't tried, as she was over 70 yo at the time. Beatriz appealed in 2016, and was pardoned. Convictions of Osvaldo Marcineiro and Davi dos Santos were extinguished.

Below are some problems relating to how evidence and confessions were obtained. List is very subjective, order is random.

  1. Torture allegations, mentioned by Beatriz and Celine. Beatriz Abagge claimed that she still has the scars or marks after being subjected to torture. They mentioned being raped, too. All of their 'confessions' were what police wanted them to say, they could just go with their story. Medical exam was limited, as women were afraid of more beatings and torture if they showed too much to the doctor examining them - they weren't left on their own with him.

  2. Searches for evidence. It was already bad when a piece of evidence was just lost (about the slippers, mentioned two sections earlier.). Celine mentioned how she was arrested and their house searched without caring about warrant, police also left a mess and some things flipped over. In search of evidence, the police went into the sawmill of the Abagge family, site of the supposed ritual, took a piece of the wall, objects that were in what they assumed to be a 'capelinha' (type of small chapel?) and went after other people who frequented the property of the father Marcineiro.

  3. The main prosecution witness, Edésio da Silva, who claimed to have seen Evandro in the car with the accused on the day of his disappearance, ended up contradicting himself.

  4. The expert, Dr. Raul de Moura Rezende, who had done the exam that 'did not indicate torture after the arrests', committed suicide the day he was going to testify. Parts of confession tapes were edited.

  5. Diógenes Caetano dos Santos Filho - Evandro's cousin - carried out parallel investigations. He had worked for a year as a military police officer and 10 years as a Civil Police investigator. His father, Diógenes Caetano dos Santos, was mayor of Guaratuba between 1973 and 1976 and was a political rival to Aldo Abagge. For a long time, Diógenes was a spokesman for the Caetano family in the press and was called his uncle. Reportedly, a black magic ritual was a version presented by Diogenes to the police 2 months after the crime. According to Celina and Beatriz Abbage, it was him blaming both father Osvaldo Marcineiro and Celina (among the others) for killing the boy.

  6. At some point, Beatriz and Celina were cleared because there was no evidence that the body found was that of the boy Evandro. Reportedly, the body found was bigger than Evandro's. DNA tests were carried, at first also 'controversial' because theoretically procedures weren't followed properly. Eventually, it was proven by DNA, too, that the deceased boy is Evandro.

SOURCES :marseysalutepride: (many subsections of this, e.g. on DNA: or this on Evandro himself: (also picture)

EFFORTPOST :marseyflagportugal: 38 yo woman lethally injured using broken bottle - neck cut wounds

This video from Portugal was on at least 3 gore websites, so possibly you've already seen it. Case was describe in the news, too. Tl;dr: on 18th of September 2022, 38 yo woman was murdered by her 36 yo ex-partner next to a cafe in Odivelas (outskirts of Lisbon). She died of neck cut wounds from broken wine bottle, he was arrested on spot. This couple has already recorded complaints about domestic violence.

Rest under the video. It may be confusing at first, as people speak there in few different languages (English too). There's woman shown first during the event, and then dying in a pool of blood; she was still alive when police arrived on spot.

At first, place. Odivelas lies on the outskirts of Lisbon. Murder took place next to a cafe on Rua Guilherme Gomes Fernandes. Here's same place during the day:

Victim was Cleidisalete Silva, 38 yo; perpetrator - also her ex-partner - Carlos Pinheiro, 36 yo. Day after the event, tabloid Correio da Manhã went into the details, e.g. interviewing neighbour, who claimed that the couple's relationship was troubled. If I understand correctly, either ending around a year ago, or it was last time he had info about? Other source specified the were a live-in partners, there were also alcohol problems (no details) and arguments on regular. Since them two started to live together, PSP (Public Security Police) registered at least 12 complaints about domestic violence (both sided). I've only found Cleidisalete photos. She was an immigrant from Cape Verde (born in Sao Nicolau):

Quarrel probably started at a cafe, then continued on the street. Police was alerted about the incident around 9:50PM on 18th of September 2022, Sunday. Apart from JP (Judicial Police), local media appeared on spot. News info mention kinda cliche 'so many people were there and no one did anything' (at least that one man did good vid, though). On Monday, Carlos was still in custody.

Investigation on homicide started (Portugal has no separte law on femicide), but I couldn't find any news on follow-ups. Even for a case from half a year ago, there should be any update available. Some people commenting on social media were wondering about possibility of Carlos blaming Cleidisalete for 'starting the argument', then 'accidentally' killing her in self-defence.

If I'd find any updates - or anyone would, and put in comments - there will be included in some edit!

SOURCES (for news info)ª-vitima-mortal-de-violencia-domestica-em-156702

Sorry, due to this retarded award's requirements I have to randomly include 'Trans Lives Matter' there - blame's not on me, it'll be removed after award fades off ;]

CHILD WARNING EFFORTPOST Vintage gore (1971) - Cong Hoa Hospital Burn Ward, Saigon [CW]

Here are five videos of total length nearly being nearly 1 hour, 10 mins. Keep in mind that loading may take longer time. All come from, and descriptions I copied are from under the videos. They're also long (may contain typos), but explain what you see and how it matters. Different than my previous archival footage posts, this time there's actual gore (burn injuries, treatment, surgical procedures).

I'll put exact times when it comes to warnings. If anyone wish to see that hour of content, but skip kids (not sure about teens, though) - feel safe ;]

Video 1, around 12 mins. (CW: if applicable, stop watching at 10:30.)

This roll depicts a Vietnamese nurse going over the medical chart of a burn patient. Depicted first is the chart alone. The next two takes depict the nurse looking over the chart of a burn patient with another patient in the background. The nurse is depicted flipping the pages of the chart and making notations on several pages. The patient whose chart is being examined is also depicted in this shot. The first part of this roll depicts a medical cart with various bottles on it. The group of bottles shown in this shot are the ones containing sulfur mylon. There are two bottles of sulfur mylon in the cart. One, the large bottle contains 10% Mafenide HCL (Hydrocloric Acid). The small bottle contains 5% Mafenide HCL. Also depicted with the bottles is an atomizer (spray applicator). Sulfur mylon is the solution that is a major part in the healing and recovery of the burn patients. The above was shot two times. The remaining footage on this roll depicts nurses checking a patient for gastro-intestinal bleeding, A bed pan is given to the patient, the patient defecates in the bed pan and the specimen is then checked for blood. This roll depicts a Vietnamese nurse taking a blood sample from a burned patient. The camera was kept running throughout the entire procedure so as to show all the steps required in taking a blood sample from a patient. This footage shows doctor Lieu, Head of the Emergency Ward, checking a patient over. This is a series of shots depicting the procedure with new patients. Dr. Lieu listens to the patient's abdomen in the first shot. The second shot shows the patient's blood pressure being taken. The next shot shows an intravenous cathedor being inserted into a patient's arm. This shot was a sudden thing that came up in the emergency room. Not much of the procedure is shown because the Vietnamese doctor who is performing the insertion is blocking the camera's view. The final shot on this roll shows a bottle of dextrose. A CU of the bottle and the air bubbles as the dextrose is fed into the patient's arm is shown. This footage depicts Doctor Lam listening to the abdomen of a small boy burned on the face, chest and lower extremities of his body. This was shot two times. The first take will be no good. It was greatly overexposed. This shows Dr. Lam listening to the boy's abdomen and the different places he positions the stethoscope on the boy's body.

Video 2, around 5 mins long. (CW, if applicable: skip 2:15 to 2:40, later it's just teenager if at all)

Roll 1: MS Pan R-L of a small section of patients in the burn ward. MS, Pan R-L of a small section of patients in the burn ward. LS, Pan R-L of the burn ward showing patients laying in bed and doctors working. LS, Same area, different angle. LS, Pan same area, different angle. MS, Patient sitting in bed talking to relative; this patient is undergoing the sulfur-mylon treatment. MS, Patient gets out of bed and walks towards camera. CU, Arm that is healing from the sulfur-mylon treatment. Roll 2: Note: This roll contains scenes of staged activities of patient getting ready to leave hospital. (NOTE: Photographer was unable to translate acting qualities needed to subjects, However with editing, should be useable.) MS, Little boy recovering from sulfur-mylon treatment. CU, Same little boy, the treatment was used on the patient's face. MS, Patient laying in bed, nurse enters, tells patient to get dressed - he is going home. MS, Patient dresses. MS, Patient dresses, and walks past camera. CU of patient's healed burn with pullback as relatives enter and tell him he is going home. MS, Patient gets out of bed and starts dressing. MS, Patient dressing. MS, Relatives take patient's hand and exit pass camera.

Video 3, around 16 mins long. (CW, if applicable: skip 13:00 to 13:30; later there's only scenes from outside hospital)

Vietnamese pharmacist in the Cong Hoa Hospital pharmacy, preparing a solution of the sulfur-mylon which will be used on patients in the burn ward. Footage of the ward depicts 4 burn patients and their improvement over the past two weeks since their skin grafts. Various scenes of patients Nguyen-Van-Trieu, Vu-Van-Phuoc, Vu-Van-Bieu, and Vu-Van-Khiet, exercising their burned members. Scenes of a patient walking on crutches, a patient in a wheelchair, a group of patients talking, and of a catheter inserted into a patient's vein. A helicopter lands at the Cong Hoa Hospital helipad with emergency treatment patients aboard. Patients are extracted from the helicopter and placed into an ambulance. Exterior shots of the medical facility and patient wards.

Video 4, around 21 mins long. (CW, if applicable: skip 14:00 to 16:00)

The first part of this roll depicts burned patient, Nguyen-Van-Ut, to show his granulating burn wounds which are ready for grafting (arm, hand, legs). Nguyen-Van-Ut received his burns 9 March 1971 by phosphorous. The second burn patient on this roll, Nguyen-V-Trieu, is depicted to show his arm and deformity of hand caused by his granulating burn wounds, which are ready for skin grafting. Nguyen-V-Trieu received his wounds by a B-40 round on 18 May 1971. The third patient, Va-Van-Khief, an 11 year old boy, who received his burns by Kerosene on 2 May 1971, is depicted to show the prior grafting to his burned face, mid-section and legs before second-stage grafting. The above scene was photographed 7 May 1971. Various MSs, CUs, and ECUs of preparation of the donor site (area where the healthy skin will be taken from). This consists of shaving, washing and rinsing it with saline solution. Various CUs and ECUs of the preparation of the burn site, the washing of the burn area with phisohex and rinsing it with saline solution. There are also scenes of the operation room, the patient and doctors.

Video 5, around 14 mins long. (no CW here)

Continuation of previous roll (LC 58248) of photo coverage of two skin-graft operations at the Cong Hoa Hospital in Saigon, Republic of Vietnam. Footage continues with the actual operation (prepared for in previous roll) by Dr. (LTC) Janice A. Mendelson, U.S. Army Medical Corps, and Dr. Nguyen dang Cat. The first operation is a graft to the right forearm and hand of the victim. The second operation, chosen because the burn area is a good example of the site ready for grafting, is a graft to the left hand and the inside of the thighs of the victim. The grafts are the placement of the healthy skin taken from another part of the victim's body onto the burned area, where it will grow together with the burned area to form a new skin cover. Various MSs, CUs, ECUs of the taking of skin from the donor site by means of the electric Dermatome (a rapidly vibrating knife, resembling a stainless steel electric shaver, which cuts a thin layer of skin from the donor site) and of the assistant spreading the skin on a saline-soaked gauze. Several MSs, CUs, ECUs of the skin being placed over the raw tissue along with the gauze. The new skin is properly positioned and after, bandages are wrapped around the wound and the area is immobilized by the application of a plaster cast.

EFFORTPOST A few moments from 1992-1995 Bosnian war - downward spiral towards genocide

There is little content on WPD relating to Bosnian war, and nothing about Srebrenica massacre in July 1995. So now there will be, although a bit chaotic. Amount of gore and suffering depictions available unfortunately don't go side by side with given events' importance here. Bosnian War started in April 1992 and ended in December 1995. However, with aftermath and trials included, related events span over three decades. That's why I skipped too much text this time, also not feeling like diving into politics. Edits will likely come, e.g. why number of victims for Srebrenica massacre is usually given as 'around 8,000' and from where other numbers come from. Or more videos.

A SHORT INTRODUCTION :marseysalutepride:

First, events relating mostly to Srebrenica massacre (also refugees and forced transfers) or happening around similar time. Context for executions near Trnovo - next section is dedicated fully to it. For around 2;30: here's Ratko Mladic giving chocolate to a boy, who years later realized the importance. Mladic trial scene is also included, when he got upset on life sentence for participation in genocide (and more).

If you want more than dates for AP content - check vids descriptions in Associated Press archives, they have YouTube channel.

Pre-war situation with ethnicity on map:

Srebrenica massacre in July 1995 became a symbol as an only genocide in post-WW2 Europe. In June 2005, US House of Representatives passed a resolution, which e.g. precized that:

[...] the policies of aggression and ethnic cleansing as implemented by Serb forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina from 1992 to 1995 with the direct support of Serbian regime of Slobodan Milošević and its followers ultimately led to the displacement of more than 2,000,000 people, an estimated 200,000 killed, tens of thousands raped or otherwise tortured and abused, and the innocent civilians of Sarajevo and other urban centres repeatedly subjected to shelling and sniper attacks; meet the terms defining the crime of genocide in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, created in Paris on 9 December 1948, and entered into force on 12 January 1951.

EDIT: Number of casualties mentioned there (in 2005) was overestimated. It comes from SIPRI, which gave upper limit as 250,000 in their 1996 yearbook. 200,000 is higher than numbers later given for all Yugoslav wars. ICTY report published in January 2010 (just summary for press use there: mentiones nearly 105,000 killed.

Bosnia-Herzegovina declared its dependence in 1992 after a referendum. Previously being a part of Yugoslavia as a socialist republic, it was multi-ethnic region of Muslim Bosniaks, Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Croats. Bosnian Serbs had boycotted the referendum, and soon after their forces - supported by the Serbian government - attacked the newly formed country. Removing Bosniaks from their territory in a bid to create a 'Greater Serbia' counts as ethnic cleansings. Genocide involves acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, can't be proven without an intent. Srebrenica massacre was focused on Muslim population, and killings - on men of military age.

Here's nice infographic instead of intended separate section with wall of text; focused on killings (not just Srebrenica) and on Mladic.

Map of mass graves locations, up to 2017:,18.004477539062457&z=8

(relating news:

Here simpler map, not detailed as it's photo from 2015 exhibition instead of original image:

And ICTY infographic on convictions and trials:

And as other war crimes were mentioned: in case of anyone was interested, here's pdf with UN Depositions of Serbian women given to the State Commission for War Crimes, in other words - descriptions of rapes and other mistreatment.


Below is full video of executions carried on by members of 'Scorpions', paramilitary group. It has subs and slightly lower quality than original. It's outstanding even if taken out of Srebrenica context. There's some mind games with men about to die, jokes, random comments (e.g. about nice nature around) - I'd even say it's wholesome and looked like they were just homies commiting war crimes. Which isn't far from truth if talking about group in general:

The Scorpions’ war path is marked in particular by the executions some of the members committed in the hamlet of Godinjske bare near Trnovo, Bosnia, in 1995, and the murders they carried out in the small town of Podujevo, Kosovo, four years later. What is particularly interesting about this unit is that the members often originated from the same town, and were relatives, friends and acquaintances long before the war. That, according to one member, brought a special sense of closeness to the unit.

'Yalla, yalla' is Arabic for 'come on, come on'. Joke about someone won't ever get laid, contrary to one who spoke, is directed on 17 yo victim.

For full video without subs, check video 'Srebrenica Genocide - Skorpioni Execution (Trnovo '95 - full video)'. It's age-restricted on YT, here's front-end

News only showed few mins long clips from the tape, which caught world media attention. Serbian officials until back then have been arguing that Serbia wasn't involved in the massacres. 'Scorpions' were one of the most long-lasting units during the whole Yugoslav conflict, from 1991 to 1999. It was operating under the supervision of Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs, specifically - its State Security Service. First activities took place in Croatia, and Scorpions' base was also located there (Deletovci, near eastern border).

Most parts of 2 hours long collage tape were recorded by Duško Kosanović Sova. However, day before the killings Sova had a fight with the commander. 'New' cameraman was Slobodan Stojković Bugar. It's not known exactly why executions were filmed. Feeling there's no consequences can't be explanation on its own, as next question would be 'so why we have no more tapes like this one?'. Sova claimed that commander told him in the morning to go and record 'it', not precizing what. Slobodan Medić Boca denied it, stating he learned much later that it happened, and if he knew before that someone filmed the crime 'He would kill him like a rabbit'.

There's an article analyzing the video ( good parts used as source here), when some remarks are also made on language importance. In general, it's about how it further strenghtened dehumanizing and mocking attitude towards the victims. E.g. right in the beginning, words used to point out detainees soiling themselves are ones used rather in reference to toddlers. Some details can be lost in translation (and lack of accents in text instead of speech), as already derogative comments also have specific grammar structure, what becomes clear when you speak language with similar structures. E.g. 'When you murdered Serbs, you didn’t wait around, did you, you motherfucker' originally has no you or any other person(s) at first half of the sentence.

Victims identities are: Safet Fejzić (17 yo; first one jumping out the truck), Azmir Alispahić (17 yo), Sidik Salkić (36 yo), Smail Ibrahimović (35 yo), Dino Salihović (16 yo), Juso Delić (25 yo). Identification was confirmed with DNA analysis after video became public, and bodies were found nearby executions place. At first relatives identified men while watching TV news. Mother of Alispahić, second in line, said to journalist that 'no one can understand how she felt'. During the day of executions, she was at refugees camp near Tuzla. Son of Salkić years later also spoke publicly about how it felt to see family member executed in TV news. Blue shirt one was of his most commonly worn clothes. Sidik Salkić worked in the hospital in Srebrenica, and son remembers him wearing exact same when they said goodbye to each other. Srebrenica was falling at the time. Mother of Fejzić testified in court that she recognized son and specifically that he was wearing the tracksuit she bought him.

This is one of cases when actually it happen what people often shittalk about: families seeing relatives' murdered and treated in cruel ways, knowing that others see it, too. Considering how important it was in TV news, it wasn't possible for some for at least few weeks to not be reminded of the events. Short clip from the video was broadcasted at least 2,000 times.

After the footage was released, some of them were charged, along with their commander (who was not at the execution site and is not captured on video). The accused were commander Slobodan Medić Boca (39 at time of charging), Pero Petrašević (36), Aleksandar Medić Zara (38), Aleksandar Vukov Vuk (33) and Branislav Medić Zekan (36). The trial had flaws critics were eager to point out, such as the fact that genocide was not charged and that the court was not convinced that the victims had anything to do with Srebrenica, but overall, it was fair to the accused, and a step in the right direction for Serbia and its judiciary.

Boca was let out of prison for family holidays around New Years Eve 2013/2014. On 31st of December, drunk driver crashed with their Toyota, leaving it crushed and killing both Boca, his wife and 17 yo son.


Jelisic was a local Serb police officer, photographed while killing Bosniak civilians. According to article linked in previous section, this is second depiction we have (from two only... if that's correct) directly showing executions of civilians, not just casualties among them (e.g. due to shelling). Quoting ICTY case information sheet (

The initial indictment against Goran Jelisić and Ranko Češić (see Češić case IT-95-10/1) was confirmed on 21 July 1995. In the amended indictment of 13 May 1998, Goran Jelisić was charged with thirty-two counts: fifteen counts of crimes against humanity; sixteen counts of violations of the laws or customs of war and one count of genocide.

[...] On 5 July 2001, the Appeals Chamber rendered its judgement, affirming the sentence of 40 years’ imprisonment as imposed by the Trial Chamber on 14 December 1999.



Surprisingly, it wasn't even mentioned on WPD Tl;dr. On 2nd of October 1992, in Carandiru prison (Sao Paulo) a quarrel during soccer play ended up in two gangs getting into conflict. Military police intervened. Prisoners, living in inhumane conditions without basic needs met, started a riot. Military police with special forces stormed the prison killing 102 inmates on spot, reportedly 9 more were stabbed to death by inmates themselves. All trials and sentences against 74 officers were declared null in 2016. This post is far shorter than previous ones (possible edits and more photos).

Events descriptions come under the video. About 2 mins of clips from the riots and views on crowd outside, then next 2 mins of aftermath slideshow. First part is untouched, I slightly changed the slideshow and replaced the soundtrack with something a bit more relevant (originally "Paparazzi" cover was here).


Carandiru Penitentiary, officially called São Paulo House of Detention (Casa de Detenção de São Paulo), was built in 1920 as a state-of-the-art correctional facility keeping up with norms of Brazil's 1890 Criminal Code. It became operational in 1956 and quickly became overcrowded. Leading problems were grouping into gangs, too few guards, lacking medical care (resulting in unnecessary deaths), malnutrition and starvation; eventually AIDS epidemic in 1980s. At peak numbers, there were around 8,000 prisoners and 1,000 guards. When riot started, 7,257 inmates were housed in facilities intended for 3,300 men.


First, few non-gory photos.

Here families crowding with hope to get some info about their closest ones and maybe desperate mother/other relative.

How events unfolded, roughly:

2 PM: Fight between inmates from rival fractions escalates. Guards are withdrawn.

2:30 PM: Military police is contacted. Prisoners form a barricade, put matresses over and set it to fire.

3 PM: Police and authorities arrive at Carandiru.

3:20 PM: Negotiation attempts.

3:30 PM: Special forces, including ROTA (Brazilian rapid response forces) and riot police, join the operation as decided by its commander, Colonel Ubitarian Guimarães.

4:30PM: Police storms the prison. Explosion at ground floor leave Colonel Guimarães wounder, he's withdrawn, operations continue.

5PM: Shooting stops.

5:30PM: Surviving prisoners are surrendered and forced to take off their clothes; naked, they begin to collect the dead inmates.

Midnight: Prisoners return to their cells, body removal begins.

Quoting Reuters for ez mode descriptions:

The prosecution's main witness was the former deputy director of the prison, Moacir dos Santos, who told the court that the military police “executed” the prisoners, many of them in their cells, even those who had surrendered and were naked.

“I saw a carpet of bodies,” Santos said during the six-day trial. He said police went in machine-gunning inmates and officers outside cheered after the first wave of shootings.

Another witness, forensic expert Osvaldo Negrini Neto, said 90 percent of the shots were fired inside cells. No police officers died.

Defense lawyers argued that the police acted in self-defense when attacked by inmates trying to escape from the prison, Brazil's largest and most notorious penitentiary.

Prison were demolished in December 2002. Currently there's a park (photo is from BBC, 2014 at max):

Paulista Penitentiary Museum occupies the one remaining cell block. Or did, I can't figure out how and in what form it operates.

But what about these trials and sentences? Nothing. In 2013 and 2014, news were rather exciting, as more and more policemen - ending up at 74 - were given sentences high enough to be sometimes more formal and symbolic than being of any other use. That'd be a life sentence, nevertheless. In 2016, fun was over:

A Brazilian court's decision to declare the trial and sentences against 74 police officers for a prison massacre in 1992 null is a shocking blow for justice and human rights, said Amnesty International.

The authorities claimed the police were trying to break up a fight between prisoners who had seized control of the jail's Block 9. But evidence uncovered later suggested that the military police had shot prisoners and later destroyed evidence which could have determined individual responsibility for the killings.

“The fact that 111 prisoners can be killed without anybody being held responsible after 24 years is not only shocking, but sends a terrifying message about the state of human rights in Brazil,” said Atila Roque, Director at Amnesty International Brazil.

“Carandiru illustrates everything that is wrong with Brazil's prison system and with the country's lack of justice for human rights violations committed in the context of public security operations. Unless serious steps are taken to improve prison conditions and ensure all those responsible for human rights violations face justice, we will inevitably see this tragedy repeated across the country for years to come.”


Tags: compilation, comp, morgue, mortuary, corpse, deceased, slaughter, killings, nude, nudity, naked, autopsy, post-autopsy, group, defeat, burning, flames, mounted, horse, dog, dogs, weak, weakened, uniform, uniforms, drill, line, lining up, lined up

EFFORTPOST Various scenes (a few gory) in 1944 footage by US Navy Photographical Center

Vintage gore and combat footage for you. This is United States Naval Photographic Center film #1475, containing multiple scenes. List of them is under the video. I copypasted it all, only adding some timestamps.

National Archives description:

  1. HA CU Marines putting man on stretcher and putting blanket over him.

  2. MS Several Marines unloading ammo boxes from LCVP; stack of rifles on beach in FG.

  3. MS Line of Marines carrying equipment and gear down beach; hut; trees in BG.

  4. MS Marines standing among litter.

  5. CU Marine picking up innertube and examining it.

  6. MCU Marine sitting on ground; marine has wounded leg, drinking from canteen. (0:41)

  7. MS Marines dug in fox holes, rifles at ready.

  8. MS Marine examining downed Japanese bomber. (1:02)

  9. MCU Marines cleaning rifles, sitting next to Japanese a/c.

  10. MS Marine lying next to wrecked Japanese a/c. (1:14)

  11. CU Marines taking bottles out of crates. (1:25)

  12. MS Marines standing next to oil drums.

  13. MS Marine drops bomb into hole and walks away. (1:46)

  14. MS Marine sitting on hummock with rifle at ready.

  15. HA CU Japanese with head blown off, lying on ground. (2:11) (really short)

  16. MS Marines standing over bunker, one marine has rifle pointed into it.

  17. CU Marine with cigar in mouth. (2:18)

  18. MS Dead Japanese beneath bunker; marines watching them. SV (2:24)

  19. LS Burned out hangar.

  20. MS Marines examining bombed out dugout.

  21. LS Marines advancing over open field.

  22. MCU Two marines standing over wounded man on litter.

  23. MS Four men carrying litter patient aboard LCVP on beach; ramp of craft down. (2:55)

  24. LS Overlooking cleared field; bomb craters in field; marines advancing in BG.

  25. MS Bombed out Japanese facility.

  26. MCU Two USMC combat photographers with backs to camera shooting over a small hill.

  27. MS Bulldozer pulling small sleds with ammo stores along beach.

  28. MS Wrecked Japanese aircraft; misty; silhouette of marines in BG advancing.

  29. MS Bombed out Japanese bldg.; wrecked a/c in FG; marines in BG.

  30. HA MS Marines lying in crater; firing intermittently over side. (4:05)

  31. MS Marines pulling dead Japanese out of hole. SV (4:19)

  32. HA MCU Marines pulling other dead Japanese out of dugouts. (4:24)

  33. MS Explosion.

  34. HA MCU Marines setting fuse in dugout; explosion.

  35. HA MS Looking down coastline showing LCVP"s; LCM"s and LST"s along beach. (5:23)

  36. LS Marines running from bunker where bomb has been set; smoke comes from bunker; trees in BG; bomb explodes and debris flies.

  37. HA MS Carry-all comes off ramp of LCM onto beach; LST-477 with troops along lifelines in BG; gear on beach.

  38. HA MS Litter cases on stretchers on LCVP alongside cargo ship; man on ship wearing sound powered phones.

  39. MS Trucks carrying German prisoners; PAN as truck drives past bldg.; troops in FG. (BEFORE: Title: German Prisoners in Italy (6:29))

  40. MS Bulldozer working along bombed out Anzio harbor; bldg. in BG. 2V

  41. HA MLS General view of harbor area; bldg.; sailboat.

  42. HA MS Troops cleaning wreckage around Anzio harbor; harbor area; bldgs. bombed out.

  43. MCU German prisoners in bldg.; door opens and officer stands in doorway checking off names from board.

  44. MS German prisoners walking through doorway; CU of head and shoulders of young German soldier. (7:38)

  45. CU German soldier receiving rations from soldier and walking out of bldg.

  46. CU Sgt. calling names of prisoners as they walk past him.

  47. MS 40mm and 20mm guns on unid. ship firing intermittently. (8:41)

  48. LS AP; LCM"s and LVT alongside at anchor in harbor; coastline with bldgs. on beach.

  49. MS Small craft on beach in BG; man sending semaphore message.

  50. MS LCT on beach; mobile crane coming down ramp; man standing on beach; ships in harbor in BG. OX

EFFORTPOST Abu Ghraib - slightly down the rabbit hole... and other ones :marseytroublemaker: [few vids, few pics, more text]

Abu Ghraib prisoners abuse sounds a bit worn-off topic. Actually, I don't think that 'everyone heard about it' means 'this is boring stuff'. Post is chaotic [edits will come], but the case is a politically complicated wild mix of chaotic events. Apparently, political scandal is just important and boring. People there either were having fun with prisoners, were tricking others into it or being tricked, some got into affair, one kid was conceived, and one dog handler found a way to make his doggo involved in some indecent acts.


Map that appeared in WikiLeaks in 2007:

Here how it looks like on satellite imagery:


Context. First coalition war against Iraqi begun at 16th of January 1991. Between 1991 and 2003, country suffered under international sanctions. Soldiers coming to Abu Ghraib weren't well informed. Some mentioned their disgust or shock after seeing ongoing practices for the first time. In general, they had also no experience with far more 'normal' military service. Former interrogator was interviewed, and shared similar experience:

[On his first impressions of Abu Ghraib prison] I think it was difficult to be surprised, because there were so few expectations about what we were getting into. None of us had been to war. There were a few — some of the older gentlemen — may have seen action in the first Gulf War, but on a very limited basis. We certainly had never done anything like staff a large-scale prison in the middle of a combat zone.

This is from unrelated article.

While the International Committee of the Red Cross report from February 2004 cited military intelligence officers as estimating that "between 70 to 90 percent of persons deprived of their liberty in Iraq had been arrested by mistake," much remains unknown about the detainees abused in the "hard site" where the Army housed violent and dangerous detainees and where much of the abuse took place.

Descriptions of abuse ongoing in Abu Ghraib were published before the photos, gaining little attention. Amnesty International mentioned is as a place of torture and mass executions in June 2003 report. In November 2003, Associated Press published article with former detainees' memories included. One was detainee himself, but as did his father in 1995 - under Saddam Hussein regime. He claimed that Americans weren't as brutal. Other appreciated that at least some of U.S. guards seemed to be good people, differently from regime supporters. Still, physical and emotional abuse was present.

For the third brother, however, the bitterness is too fresh.

"They confined us like sheep," the newly freed Saad Naif, 38, said of the Americans. "They hit people. They humiliated people."

Although details cannot be otherwise confirmed, the accounts by a half dozen former detainees in Associated Press interviews corroborated each other on key points, and meshed with what Amnesty International has heard from released Iraqis. The human rights group has accounts of detainee uprisings, punishment by exposure to the sun, and other examples of what it calls "inhumane conditions."

Claims of these abuse and the worse one could be confirmed two months later. On 13th of January 2004, Spc. Joseph Darby handed over photos depictitng torture to Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID). Day later investigation started. Scandal broke after CBS News aired photos on 28th of April 2004 in program 60 minutes.

⠀TIMELINE :marseynotesglow:

For more detailed timeline go here: (from May 2003 to September 2005). It includes background events relating to other Iraqi prisoners abuse by US Army soldiers (e.g. Camp Bucca, Camp Cropper). Shorter version, skipping these events and daily dates:

July 2003: Amnesty International criticized U.S. military for subjecting Iraqi prisoners to cruel, inhumane or degrading conditions

August 2003: coalition forces reopened Abu Ghraib prison

October 2003: month during which most of abuse happened

November 2003: some detainees escaped (at first - two, then - several), there was also riot ending up in 12 detainee shot (3 lethally)

December 2003: detainee shot after assaulting MP

January 2004: soldier from 372nd MP Company reports prisoner abuse, investigation started

March 2004: charges filed against 6 soldiers

April 2004: some photos released to the public by CBS

May 2004: intense period; this month 578 prisoners were released (454, then 24 three days later), charges filed for 7th soldier, first convictions and suspensions take place.

June 2004: drama over torture, interrogation and what's justifable or not intensifies

Convictions are dated in separate section.


There were videos obtained previously by Washington Post. One they publicly released is the vid no. 4 you'll see below. Criminal Investigation Command (CID) materials were shown online in series of articles 'Abu Ghraib Files' (link at the end) - lots of info accompanying 279 photographs and 19 videos. All clips have no sound. Length varies from 0:08 to 1:39, I merged them by the topic.

Videos 1 and 2: naked, hooded detainees forced to masturbate. Video taken by Charles A. Graner. He got highest sentence, so more on him at next sections. Apart from forcing prisoners to masturbate and photo or record them, he also e.g. forced two of them to simulate oral sex.

Videos 3 and 4: three soldiers surrounding a detainee, likely striking him and attempting to subdue; then targeting group of three naked detainees.

Videos 5 to 8: soldiers provide medical attention to wounded detainee. That was also shown on photographs.

Videos 9 to 19: detainee hitting his head against a cell door. It was also depicted on photos. Some backstory:

In addition to "high value" intelligence targets, accused rioters and rapists, the military police at Abu Ghraib had to manage some mentally disturbed inmates, who had no apparent ties to any national security concern. The most prominent of these was a detainee named M-----, who was referred to by U.S. prison personnel as "Shitboy." Over the course of five weeks, he was photographed dozens of times in various humiliating and self-destructive situations. At several points, soldiers chose simply to take photographs and video of M----- harming himself, instead of stepping in to stop him. When the detainee was in restraints, Graner posed for photographs alongside him like a big-game hunter displaying a catch.

And more (no idea why it's apparently OK to not prevent man with mental disorder from harming himself and don't provide him help):

A July 2004 report by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID) concluded that the horrors depicted in these photos did not involve criminal acts by guards. This includes incidents in which the detainee sodomized himself with a banana, covered himself with his own feces, and banged his head repeatedly against a steel door until his head was bloody. At several points, military police claimed they put this detainee in restraints allegedly to "prevent the detainee from sodomizing himself and assaulting himself and others with his bodily fluids," [...]

In his April 2005 statement to the CID, Graner describes several efforts by military police to control this detainee. At one point, Graner said he even injected M----- and another mentally deranged detainee with Benadryl to calm them down: "All our nut cases, we were just feeding them Benadryl because we had the psychotropic medications, but nobody would issue [them], which would have made life a lot easier for us."

Graner said he believed that military intelligence had a psychiatrist at Abu Ghraib. But, Graner added, "he couldn't help us out."

Here's link to really detailed descriptions accompanied by photos. Everything accurately dated (if possible) and described:


Eleven soldiers were convicted. Some of them were interviewed or longer articles are available about them, and I included tl;dr conclusions. Order is partially random. I've quoted more on Graner and on Herman because this is too wild to be omitted. Links for these enjoying further reading.

1st. Charles Graner: sentenced to 10 years in military stockade on 15th of January 2005. Released after 6.5 years. He has known history of violent behavior and here's his bio In Abu Ghraib, he was leader of ongoing abuse and IMO looks like he was the most 'organized' person in its form. He claimed abuse happened because of plan directed by military intelligence officers to soften up prisoners for interrogation, because they were told to terrorize prisoners etc. There were no witnesses to support these claims. Both him and his family seems to think he is the victim, convictions were unfair and his image was spoiled. This family part doesn't include ex-wife (10 years of marriage) claiming she was abused and so were their two kids, his Abu Ghraib ex-lover (next one here) and more.

More e.g. here: and

First photo is with Lynndie England, 2nd one on this list, second photo - with Sabrina Herman, 4rd on this list.

This one also deserves longer comment. Since the beginning of research for this post I was wondering if there was maybe any 'leader' (at least), and some others following without realizing full extent of abuse. It didn't seem like extreme, yet erratic behavior only. It is awful and varied, but clearly varied withing some aesthetic convention. Both when it comes to visual aspect, activities depicted and possible results (feelings on detainees' side) - like it was showing someone's preferences. As expected, I like own opinions being confirmed. Partially, at least. Graner's family and Graner himself seem to be in a strong disagreement with reality. Prosecutors considered him being a 'leader' there, and activities depicted - being for sports and for laugh. Graner claimed they were told to soften up or terrorize detainees and he didn't enjoy it. All the laughs, a bit of humour, thumbs up etc. were because of it was so screwed they couldn't go through it without some distancing and humour. I thought about the photos, if there weren't there to re-enact these feelings. It wasn't stated anywhere that Graner was also ordered to take photos. Fellow soldiers reported discouraging him.

Here's some quote from the book Evil in Mind: psychology of harming others. I recommend it if you'd like to get some unpopular opinions justified (proper chapter in Dark Sides of Empathy is cool, too).

[...] hate is the desire for a target to experience harm. In the case of sadism, or sadistic motivation, target harm is desired because it is seen as a path toward positive emotional payoff. That is, one seeks either to make other beings (human or non- human) suffer, or to be assured of such suffering secondhand, in hopes of experiencing pleasure, satisfaction, arousal, etc., as a result. The sequence just outlined puts us in a good position to understand when it is, and when it is not, reasonable to infer sadistic motivation: The desired/ anticipated outcome, not the actual outcome, is key.

[comment on a study] Whichever, the fact that “joking violence” was more readily embraced as plausible by victims who were highly committed to their relationship suggests that they were trying to deflect harmful intentions away from their abusive partners.

Why I even quote this? First, because people sometimes don't get definitions right when it comes to motivations. Second, because of Staci Graner Morris who was married to Graner for 10 years:

The two divorced in 2000. She obtained a protection-from-abuse order in 2001, after claiming that Graner had tried to throw her down the stairs following a heated argument.

Another one:

Later in their relationship, she obtained three court protective orders to prevent abuses such as when he held a knife to his sleeping wife.

She described how he was a POS both to her and kids (and also could be unusually charismatic and engaging). Confirmed that he was sexually deviated, and activities depicted in the Abu Ghraib files didn't surprise her as Graner was obsessed with this stuff. He once told her about cutting her body up and getting rid of it. Also installed surveillance camera in her room, showing her after some time a tape depicting her preparing for bed. She felt like he enjoys seeing her terrorized. Graner also shared made-up stories about their sexual life to some guests. And returning to that re-enacting emotions:

He would send photos of "these beat-up prisoners and blood and talk about how cool it was - look what Daddy gets to do", she said, adding that she did not show them the mail. [...] "The whup ass [beatings] ran like a river," Ms Morris quoted Graner as saying about the frequent beatings of prisoners. "He had complete contempt for prisoners; as far as he was concerned they had no rights," she said, summing up his attitude as a prison officer in Pennsylvania.

There's more, seacrch for articles mentioning both abuse of ex-wife and affair with Lynndie England if interested. He also had a story of making weird photos.

2nd. Lynndie England: sentenced to 3 years with dishonorable discharge from the army on 27th of September 2005. During stay at Abu Ghraib, she got pregnant with Graner and it seems she re-thought their romance, turned out Graner - 14 years older than her - was manipulative POS. Her background is: grew up watching classic action movies sometimes depicting US Army in kinda heroic way, patriot, convinced she wants to be a soldier, entered army when 17 yo. Seems not fully convinced she wasn't forced to do what she did.

Interview e.g. here:

One of most recognizable faces in this scandal:

3rd. Jeremy Sivits: sentenced to one year in prison on 19th of May 2005. He claimed that many of soldiers working in Abu Ghraib, including himself, came from rural parts of USA when young people had not much perspectives. Enlisting in the army and being sent to Iraq seemed like an adventure for 18 yo man.

Claimed in BBC interview he hated himself for what happened.

4th. Sabrina Harman: convicted to 6 months at 18th of May 2005, received bad-conduct discharge. According to few other soldiers, she should rather be humanitarian aid worker, not a soldier. Didn't show abusive or sadistic tendencies. Type of girl that protects invertebrates sometimes, but also do crazy shit and looks overly enthusiastic on many photos. It applies to tortured soldiers or corpses, too.

Morbidly curious and that's crazy reading ( ).

“Even if somebody is hurt, the first thing I think about is taking photos of that injury,” Harman said. “Of course, I’m going to help them first, but the first reaction is to take a photo.” In July, she wrote to her father, “On June 23 I saw my first dead body I took pictures! The other day I heard my first grenade go off. Fun!”

And more:

The cat’s head was one of Harman’s gags. She had a kitten that was killed by a dog, and since it had no visible wounds she performed a rough autopsy, discovered organ damage, and then an M.P. buddy mummified its head. They gave it pebbles for eyes, and Sabrina photographed it in various inventive settings: on a bus seat with sunglasses, smoking a cigarette, wearing a tiny camouflage boonie hat, floating on a little pillow in the wading pool, with flowers behind its ears. She took more than ninety photographs and two videos of it. The series, in its weird obsessiveness and dark comedy, has the quality of conceptual art. At one time or another, at least fifteen of Harman’s fellow-M.P.s posed for photos with the cat head.

5th. Javal S. Davis: sentenced to 6 months on 4th of February 2005. Seems to have mixed feelings about the case, also ashamed, partially unable to tell why he even did it. In private considered good man. Claimed he wanted to scare these prisoners, not hurt at first. Also following orders or mates' encouragement. Received bad-conduct discharge. (

6th. Ivan Frederick II: sentenced to 8 years, received a dishonorable discharge; reduced in rank to private.

7th. Roman Krol: sentenced to 10 months, received a bad-conduct discharge; reduced in rank to private.

8th. Armin J. Cruz Jr.: sentenced to 8 months, received a bad-conduct discharge; reduced in rank to private.

9th. Megan Ambuhl: no prison sentence, but reduction in rank to private and the loss of half a month's pay for failing to prevent or report maltreatment of prisoners.

10th. Santos Cardona: sentenced to 90 days of hard labor at Ft. Bragg, N.C in May 2005. Killed in Afghanistan in 2009, working as a gov contractor there. One of dog handlers in Abu Ghraib having fun with threatening prisoners.

11th. Michael Smith: sentenced to 179 days in March 2006. Another dog handler having fun, not just scaring prisoners. He also was convicted of allowing the dog to participate in the lewd acts of licking peanut butter off of a woman's chest and a man's genitalia. All videotaped.

As it seems to be next-dimensional level, I'll just leave link to article about how conclusions made from it were oversimplified:

EFFORTPOST State torture in Syria :marseyflagsyria: [few vids, more pics, walls of text]

This post may be a bit messy, even if only focusing on gore/torture/executions. It is not because I had actually no idea about the topic I wanted to write on. That can even help in some way. Conflict is complicated and secretive nature of state torture makes it worse. Crimes against humanity can be just hardest to comprehend. There's no tl;dr. I can't find any adjectives to properly describe how fucked up beyond limit some cases are.

Sections go as follows:

  1. Beginning - when we mainly had testimonies (starting from March 2011). Includes few videos of torture.

  2. Caesar photos. Wall of text, but also pictures, very few from his 53,000+. They come from official forensic photographer for the Military Police, who defected in August 2013.

  3. Saydnaya Military Prison. Mainly text. One really interesting YT video on forensic architecture and reproducing conditions prisoners were living and dying in. If you want to skip everything in this post and just watch something - that video is best choice.

  4. Aftermath: trial that started in April 2020 in Koblenz and two convictions.

  5. Additional links: for you all that are, putting it nicely, 'interested in modern history, human rights and free access to information' :marseytroublemaker:

  6. Sources.


At first, mainly testimonies were proofs for widespread violations, torture and killings by Syrian government security forces and officials. In general, it is one thing to know that Assad's militants were torturing people elsewhere, and other to have proofs for this torture being encouraged and required by system.

In its first report on 23 December 2011, Syrian Network for Human Rights (SNHR) and other international human rights organizations accused the Syrian regime of committing crimes against humanity. UN Human Rights Council had a Special Session to debate about human rights abuse. I found article about it important, but quite boring, as it was from August 2011, so no photos or videos available yet. It may sound like 'just' words without more personal level - not only terms for various forms of abuse.

To show what was gov attitude back then, here are quotes from The Guardian article from December 2011:

Between late November and early December, I was one of just two foreign reporters granted an official journalist visa to this repressive police state. I spent nine days in Damascus, capital of al-Assad's Republic of Fear, as a guest of the government. There, I encountered an angrily defiant regime, robust and resolute and unapologetic. [...]

Over the course of those nine days, I interviewed three government ministers, an army general and the mayor of a rebellious city. I heard nothing but denials that the security forces were shooting, shelling and torturing civilians. The government blames "armed gangs" and "terrorists" and invokes the spectre of Islamist insurgents. [...] they see western-backed conspiracies. They talk of a media war in which Arab and western satellite TV stations broadcast "lies" and "fabricated videos."

Rest is tl;dr some officials stating it's completely unnaceptable and there's no policy of torture, while more and more testimonies showing widespread pointless torture only meant to send a message 'you need to fear us'.

On 4th of July 2012, video (reportedly) leaked by Al Arabiya became one of first direct proofs of pointless torture in facilities. It was said to come from Kafranbel.

Human Rights Watch found out about 27 detention facilities. Here's map. Kafranbel isn't one of these points. First the basic map, then link to interactive one.

There were other videos of torture before, problem is - they weren't precizely described and didn't necesserily show facilities. E.g. this video surfaced at last on February 2012. It was on TheYNC few days after appearing on YT, although title included file extension, so I think it was uploaded somewhere else before YT. 'Daraia near Damascus' could be Daraa, if around 100 km is 'near' (can be, considering size of the country).

Here's video posted as 'leaked' in January 2012. Detainee is forced to bow to the portrait.

There's far more and often on YT with low view numbers. Good, considering that otherwise YT would likely delete it (best scenario: just mark as 18+). Here's video (English this time) from Al-Arabiya, posted in September 2011. It includes scenes from videos otherwise posted with quite low view numbers. They claim torture by militants was recorded and videos spread because it helps with intimidating civilians.


Caesar is nickname used by a former military photographer (official forensic photographer for the Military Police) who defected from his role. He released tens of thousands of images of thousands of detainees killed in the custody of Syrian security forces – in particular Military Intelligence and Air Force Intelligence – in Damascus. Quick facts:

  1. News about Caesar started circulating in January 2014. He was interviewed by a team of international lawyers, as well as Syrian activists.

  2. He entrusted images to Syrian National Movement (SNM), and some members of SNM formed the Syrian Association for Missing and Conscience Detainees (SAFMCD), which took custody of pictures.

  3. In March 2015, Human Rights Watch received from SNM set of 53,275 unique files. That was told to be complete set.

  4. Photographs were taken between May 2011 and August 2013, when Caesar defected.

Work described in his own words:

Most of the pictures I took were in the morgue of the 601 Military Hospital in Damascus and the rest were taken in Teshreen Military Hospital. I took the pictures on separate times, as requested by the Military Prosecution Department from the photography division where I worked.

Most of the victims’ were detainees in the following security branches: Branch 215, Branch 227, Branch 235, Air-Force Intelligence Branch and in some military units. However, we must not lose sight of an important issue. Frequently, some detainees died in the Trauma Department while they were being treated, then their bodies were moved to the morgue. While other detainees died in the vehicles’ garage in 601 Hospital. In that case, it was said that they came from the trauma department. Bodies piled up in the garage for a number of days. That place is not valid for storage purposes, how come to human bodies.

Human Rights Watch classified photographs in 3 categories.

  1. people who died in gov custody (28,707 images) - both in facilities or already in military hospital. Telling by individual id numbers, at least 6,786 deceased individuals are depicted. They became numbers - one number was military branch, second was for given facility, and third was individual number inside that facility.

  2. dead army soldiers or members of security forces. Some photographs are from morgue, and this time they include also names of deceased. Sometimes name's prefaced by shadid - 'martyr' or their military rank.

  3. aftermath photos. This category include several types of incidents, including the aftermath of explosions, assassinations of security officers, fires, and car bombs. HRW matched some of the photos to incidents reported in Syrian media, further confirming Ceaesar set of photos is reliable source. (I don't doubt it, but regime surely does, so such type of evidence required further verification)

Map to enlarge for some stats.

Photos time. Originally photos weren't edited, but these published online often have either gore or genitals blurred. These below were linked in article 'Analytical Study about the Leaked Pictures of Torture Victims in Syrian Military Hospitals'.

Here photos showing a) possibly a teenager b) signs of eye removal with sharp tool c) charred skin as a result of electrocution:

Number identification methods visible, as well as various stages of starvation among deceased:

A picture that depicts two bodies numbered: 2076 and 2075 from security forces’ branch 227. The victim’s body number 3194 came from security forces’ branch 215 in Damascus, also victim’s body number 245 came from branch 216 in Damascus.

Plastic bags were used because victims were meant to be thrown into mass graves.

Here a) victim likely 'arrested' while receiving hospital treatment b) fresh blood, victim likely got rid of when still alive c) women were among deceased d) brutal burns causing injuries exposing bone.

Few years ago, it turned out that in hospitals staff gets more and more creative, although it'd be off-topic. Let's just quote that:

Additionally, they practiced horrific forms of professionalized medical torture in which doctors inflicted wounds to cause maximum pain with minimum mortality. The regime often gave hospitals numbers and hospital 601 became the most infamous in Damascus. In 2017, Louisa Loveluck and Zakaria Zakaria reported that in this hospital, high value detainees or those warranting punishment would be tied to beds and used as training for medical students experiencing a cycle of torture and starvation to the brink of death, and then rehabilitation in order to repeat the process. [...]

There are reports that the regime targeted individuals with pre-existing injuries for torture in hospitals so that the regime’s doctors could exploit these injuries and cause maximum physical and mental trauma.


⠀SAYDNAYA :marseyropeyourself:

Saydnaya Military Prison is located about 30 km north of Damascus. The prison is under the jurisdiction of the Minister of Defence and operated by the Military Police. It became known for excessive torture after 2008 detainees riot. Apart from high mortality in general, executions were a routine. Usually, once or twice a week - Monday and Wednesday - with up to 50 people hanged at night. Amnesty International claimed that around 13,000 people could be killed there between March 2011 and December 2015.

If you want first-hand descriptions of tortures and conditions in Saydnaya - here's video. Nearly 30 mins, but still better than wall of text. Really interesting, as it shows reconstruction of these conditions by forensic architecture team. Former prisoners helped with determining layout of the rooms and their sizes. They also describe all sensations coming to them, daily routine and ways of killing time. Layout and sounds are quite important because of emotional impact - either knowing 'our cell is gonna be next' or e.g. being forced to listen gurgling sounds from below when someone is dying from strangulation at the lower floor. In prisoners' cells, there usually was too many of them for an echo, but empty corridors and some mostly empty torture rooms made good sound system.

I somehow 'appreciate' (in negative sense) how much effort was put into making people suffer even more.

Requirement of keeping silent isn't just a torment itself, but also deprives detainees in Saydnaya of one option they could use to end torture faster. Here's quote from former detainee in Al-Khatib prison (or Branch 251 prison) in central Damascus.

While I was in the cell, there was a fellow detainee who gave me some advice. He said to me:

“When you are taken in for interrogation, there are two options you can choose from. Either stay completely quiet and bite your tongue, or scream so loudly that you sate the sadism of the interrogator.” I screamed really loudly. I was exhausted and completely fatigued.[…]

Despite abuse and torture being basically everyday life in Saydnaya, still some individuals were remembered because they weren't just sadists - also quite creative (or innovative) when it comes to torture and murder. That's a familiar pattern, if you like reading about concentration camps and different facilities.

A guard who called himself Hitler would organize sadistic dinner entertainment for his colleagues. He brought arak and water pipes, Mr. Ghabbash said, “to prepare the ambience.” He made some prisoners kneel, becoming tables or chairs. Others played animals. “Hitler” reinforced stage directions with beatings.

“The dog has to bark, the cat meow, the rooster crow,” Mr. Ghabbash said. “Hitler tries to tame them. When he pets one dog, the other dog should act jealous.”

The audience also included prisoners, in nearby cells or hanging blindfolded on nearby chain-link fences, who confirmed the account. Some guards made those hanging beg, “Master, I’m thirsty,” then sprayed them with hoses, Mr. Ghabbash said.

I've already used like 3/4 of text limit, so check links/sources for more reading.


In April 2020, first trial worldwide on state torture in Syria started in Koblenz, western Germany. Two former officials of President Bashar al-Assad’s security apparatus got sentenced by Koblenz Higher Regional Court:

  1. Anwar R: co-perpetrator of torture, 27 murders and cases of sexual violence and other crimes in the al-Khatib Branch. Initially charged with 4,000 counts of torture and 58 killings. Received life sentence in January 2022.

  2. Eyad A: guilty of aiding and abetting 30 cases of crimes against humanity. Received 4.5 years in February 2021.

It was possible to trial them because of Germany's laws allowing serious crimes to be tried here, even when not related to Germany at all. That's principle known as 'universal jurisdiction'. It was also used in relation to Iraqi war crimes. If you wanna know more about legal aspects, here's 'Q&A: First Cracks to Impunity in Syria, Iraq': These aren't only countries:

There has been considerable progress in the prosecution of crimes under international law by national courts in the last 20 years. Cases in European, Canadian, and US courts have involved crimes committed in Rwanda, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Kosovo, Iraq, Liberia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Argentina, among others.

⠀ADDITIONAL LINKS :marseyreading:

As it's gore website, let's focus on one thing - where can you get more detailed descriptions of torture and its emotional impact to spend whole night reading?

Only referring to Saydnaya, or at least specifying. Few are linked not because of content only, but maybe some types of articles suit you more. From more general perspective. From a perspective of former detainee, Omar al-Shogre. He was 17 yo when arrested, spent two years in various prisons, then 10 months in Saydnaya. Both more at the level of system and at the level of given facility, including Saydnaya; former detainees accounts included. Interview with Nicolette Boehland, a Syria researcher at Amnesty International.

2016 report by Amnesty International, 65 former detainees were interviewed.

244 pages relating to trial in Koblenz. I didn't read it whole ofc, just Ctrl+F for interesting fragments.

⠀SOURCES :marseysalutepride:

Not all, as always.

CHILD WARNING EFFORTPOST [CW] Beslan school siege - 52 hours of modern history :marseysoldierrussia: (7 vids, many photos)

Quick stats for TL;DR: 52 hours (1st to 3rd of September 2004), during which around 1200 people were held hostage, 344 civilians died (186 children) and more than 750 people were injured. I'll describe how it happened, as well as importance of that event. There's gore in photos and videos, there's something to read, and in the end - dead terrorists to warm your hearts.

Numbers are a bit questionable. As for early 2023, Beslan school siege is 7th deadliest terrorist attack. With 1st being WTC, places 2nd to 6th are occupied by either African or Middle Eastern incidents.

⠀⠀ATTACK :marseygunnut:

Here's short video on events unfolding. It shows both timeline (I'll just describe main events) and model of school, with all highlights.

1st of September 2004. Wednesday (national holiday)

School No. 1 was one of 7 schools in Beslan, town of about 35,000 population located in Republic of North Ossetia–Alania (south-western Russia; border with Georgia). Here school year of 2004 begun from terrorist attack.

Militants stormed and captured school during opening ceremony, at 9:00. They warned if security forces storm the building, they will blow up school and hostages. For every one of them killed, militants would kill 50 hostages. Kids were put in windows as "human shields" to prevent rescue operations. Few dead men (either teachers or fathers) were thrown out the window. Beslan was visited by Nikolai Patrushev (head of Federal Security Service, FSB) and Rashid Nurgaliyev (Interior Minister). Initial reports about 200 hostages were misinformation; in the evening, FSB official Valery Andreyev informed that there are nearly 300 hostages. Real number was only 'discovered' on the last day.

School was surrounded not only by military and police, but also some civilians - thanks to quite common firearms access. Here one with rifle:

This video was taken by terrorists themselves and shown in NTV.

In the evening, problems with food and water started. Militants didn't care about basic means of keeping hostages alive. Some kids were peeing on hands to drunk urine. Others went desperately hungry and ate plants from school bathroom, stocking some in underwear 'for later'. Some hostages had to stay in pools of urine. Sometimes crying babies annoyed captors to the point when they were taking them away from parents and bringing outside gym, not letting parents know their fate.

2nd of September 2004. Thursday

In the morning officials released 'updated' info on number of hostages, claiming there are around 400 schoolchildren inside. Former Ingushetia President, Ruslan Aushev, started talks with hostage takers.

25 hostages - 11 mothers and 14 children - were released. This was the only success - some kids escaped on first day, some were released on second. Not all mothers were allowed to take more than 1 kid. E.g. Zalina Zandrovna was forced to choose. She said it was beyond words, but one of kids had to live through it. 6 yo daughter was left inside afraid, Zandrovna get out to safety with 2 yo son. After the event, she found daughter alive - claiming that sole surviving terrorist let her go out alive, only suffering some burn injuries.

Here's another story, if you'd like to know more: this time no happy end. There were 3 mothers forced to leave kids who later died - including woman interviewed for this article. Some were orphaned, and linked article also mentions such a case (mother refusing to leave - died with baby, but second kid survived).

Video published in 2006 by CBS, taken inside school. It shows e.g. freeing some hostages and bodies thrown outside the window - fathers, teachers.

Babies carried out on 2nd day:

3rd of September 2004. Friday

Automatic-weapon fire started near the school, followed by two explosions, at 6:27. It took around 10 hours until fighting stopped on 16:22. In the meantime, negotiators secured an agreement to recover some bodies of hostages and security troops. Group of hostages escaped, another was led out. On 19:16 presidential adviser Aslambek Aslakhanov acknowledged there were around 1200 hostages inside.

The end of this horrific standoff began with an explosion in the afternoon, 52 hours into the siege. "After the explosion, there was a pile of dead children's bodies, and then complete silence," says teacher Elena Kosumova, who was in charge of the opening day ceremonies at the school. She and her son, Timor, were held hostage during the siege.

Moments after the two explosions rocked the building, an enormous gun battle erupted. Special Forces snipers started picking off the terrorists. "They just opened fire," says Beliakov. "They started firing at school." It took nearly 10 hours before all the shooting stopped.

Teacher Elena Kosumova (pictured) was separated from her son, Timor. "I saw a lot of children climbing over the windowsill. That gave me the idea to escape through the window," she says. "The first people I saw were two men from our town. They were armed. One told me to run over to him. He helped me cross back to safety."

Here is Elema Kosumova and her son Timor. (whole photorelation:

There are many photos of the escapees, but not especially gory. Many of children were at least partially without clothes. This is both because of hot temperature (in general at this time of the year), just worsening when crowded at the gym, and because of stripping down to avoid burns.

Storming the school on 3rd day.

Bodies outside the morgue in Vladikavkaz, regional capital.

Beslan cemetery.

I'll include only one terrorist here - rest goes for aftermath. Among 32 assailants were two women. 31 died (at least one - lynched), and one surviving was Nur-Pashi Kulaev. He got a life sentence on 26th of May, 2006. His naked ass photo kinda caught my attention, not matching other tragic photos. Here's what happened:

One militant was dragged from the building, his trousers pulled from his waist. Once the locals checked he was circumcised (and therefore, by their logic, Muslim, and hence a gunman), they beat him to a pulp and left his body in the back of a truck.

It took the mob longer to realize Kulaev is one of militants because he hid under a truck - like many civilians during shooting - and instead of uniform wore tracksuit and sneakers. He claimed that he 'personally' didn't kill anyone, just was part of the group, and he wants to live. At least that's what was written in, and few other Russian sources. Later in court, Kulaev stated that he also wasn't aware they were attacking school, and tried to shoot into the air. Formally, he was responsible for some deaths or injuries. Opinions among victims' families or other impacted by attack were divided. Some wanted Kulaev dead, and he only didn't end up executed because of moratorium on death penalty. Others pointed out - and I agree with them - than instead of focusing on sentences for terrorists and details of their crimes, gov should focus on why did they fail on multiple levels. Quoting FoxNews:

The group said investigators had not probed who was responsible for a chain of alleged errors: the failure to take security measures in spite of a heightened danger of terrorist attacks, the refusal to negotiate with the hostage-takers, underreporting the number of hostages involved early in the crisis, the lack of preparation for storming the school, the unpreparedness of the rescue services and the "uncontrolled use of tanks, flame-throwers, grenade-launchers and other weapons."

30 seconds long video from Ogrish, to bring classic content back. Notice civilians, helping military and police on 3rd day, too.

Here two parts of hostage children running away video (around 4;30 and 5;20 mins long). It ends after 13;17 local time.

I didn't search for any subtitles, not sure if you're interested. In second video, that boy who talks to cameraman around 2;10 says they were held four days without water. The second one, screaming in the background, asks where's water.

⠀⠀AFTERMATH (both victims and terrorists)

10 minutes long video showing searching through debris (we had it, but now it's unwatermarked, just shorter version).

I can barely understand Russian, so don't get many of their conversation. They both just comment on type of victims - the age or gender - and on what some scenes tell about the terrorists. Around 4;30, they comment on two corpses here (man is elder PE teacher, Ivan Kanidi). Assailants had no mercy on men and women (previously they mostly talked about kids), and even barricaded windows. Around 5;24-5;36, they note that despite there's tap water being available, hostages were left dying. 7;45 - explosives found on woman's corpse ('shahid belt'). 8;55 - unexploded grenade.

It's just a part of longer footage, at least partially (didn't check all) on YouTube - search for Beslan, 4.09.2004, survey of school. Here's some missing part, from 7;10 onwards. Still, you can see timeskips. Few stillshots, some had comments.

One of terrorists, explosives intact:

In next classroom grenade launcher was discovered and items belonging to terrorists: clothes and food (powdered milk, canned food, dates).

Their explosives apparently worked:

I'm not sure if these photos show dead only:

Machine gunner, also blown apart:

More dead militants. Second last photo shows corpse of Vladimir Khodov.

You remember Khuchbarov smiling on the video from 2nd day of siege? He didn't get the last laugh:

Here 5 not so gory pics from Ogrish.

It'd be really hard to put all photos here. So if you wish to see more gore pics (especially all of you who 'are bored and have seen all content here'): here you go Various aftermath photos.

Here's explanation of aftermath I really like (autotranslated, so a bit weird):

What else? Officials made idiotic statements, the media gave idiotic comments and reports, relatives of the victims howled with grief and tore their hair, relatives of the wounded - rejoiced that they had found their living. The country was in shock. Putin spoke on TV. Zakayev was giving out an interview from London and telling that Maskhadov was good, and Putin was bad.

And what about numbers?

The number of people who were held hostage is also unknown. The latest data –1,200 people – was delivered by Vladimir Ustinov, although a day earlier it had been reported that 1 181 people had been taken hostage. According to Ustinov, as a result of the terrorist attack, 326 people died, although the number of 335 was previously reported for several days.

It's from article Report on Russian media coverage of the Beslan tragedy: Access to information and journalists’ working conditions. Here's abstract.

The coverage of the events has proven that media freedom had taken hold in Russia. However, several worrisome developments in the relationship between the government and the media drew the attention of local and international experts and human rights activists. Cases of detention and harassment of journalists occurred, seriously impeding their work.

Even more importantly, the government did not provide in a timely manner truthful information on the handling of the crisis:

  • How many people were taken hostage;

  • What was the number of hostage takers;

  • Who were they;

  • What were their demands.

As a result, journalists were physically attacked in Beslan for allegedly misinforming the public. A triple credibility gap arose, between the government and the media, between the media and the citizens, and between the government and the people. This is a serious drawback for a democracy.

The main sources of information for the Russian people are the three nationwide broadcasters. Unfortunately, they did not provide accurate and up-to-date information. In the end, the print media and Internet news sites stepped in, filling the information void as much as they could.

I didn't link every source, because of e.g. not exactly knowing about Russian sources affiliations. And there's already enough text. Good photos here Stillshots from aftermath video with comments. How government failed - if you want to read more

EFFORTPOST Bali suicide bombings (2002, 2005) - mostly pics and text

This isn't my preferred type of content. However, it's another historic event which many users may not even remember. TL;DR why it even matters: in 2001, terrorist network Jemaah Islamiyah (estabilished in early 90s) - linked to Al-Qaeda - got discovered. Al-Qaeda and JI were responsible for 2000 Christmas Eve bombings, targeting few churches across Indonesia - these only killed 18 people. October 2002 Bali attack was first such impacful event credited to them, with 202 killed. Last important attack by JI took place in July 2009.

Aftermath photos only. Dead: 202; from 21 different countries, mostly Australia (88). Injured: 209, including 15 victims with severe burns (1 of them died) evacuated to Singapore General Hospital (SGH) Burns Centre.

On 12th of October 2022, at 20th anniversary ceremony 10-minutes long documentary was shown, depicting people fleeing either dazed or injured during bombing aftermath. It included audio and clip from WTC attacks. Some of family members or friends of those who died felt stunned, shocked or re-traumatized by watching this. Which was good motivation for me while making this post. If you haven't seen my 2004 Madrid attacks gore or 9/11 gore post, I recommend to do it next.

On 12 October 2002 at 11:05 p.m. at Kuta, a town in southern Bali, a suicide bomber triggered a device hidden in a backpack, causing an explosion to tear through Paddy's Bar. Fifteen seconds later, in front of the Sari Club, a much larger car bomb of close to 1,000 kg concealed in a white van was detonated by remote control. The blast left a one meter-deep crater, and the shock wave blew out windows throughout the town. Scores of victims were killed and many more suffered severe trauma and burns. A third bomb had been detonated in front of the American consulate in Bali shortly before, causing only slight injury to one person.

Previously terrorism wasn't considered serious threat in Indonesia, because (quoting):

First, other challenges facing the country took precedence. Indonesia had gone through a major transition of power in the previous four years: the end of Suharto’s 32-year dictatorship; the first democratic elections since 1955; and the separation of the military from the police, with the military responsible for preserving Indonesia’s external security and the police its internal security. Communal violence had broken out in multiple regions of the country.

Second, some Indonesian politicians were reluctant to acknowledge the threat of terrorism because they did not want to alienate conservative Muslim constituencies, who did not believe the threat was real.

Third, there was a belief that Indonesia’s experience with Islamist militancy was something of the past. The Suharto regime had stamped it out. Indonesia was a country of devout moderate Muslims.

Not so good video released by police shows one of the terrorists, reported to have backpack filled with explosives. Photos show bombers' remains (casually released them to the public, to make identifying bombers easier). Dead: 20, injured: 129, largely treated for injuries caused by broken glass (2 treated for burns in SGH Burns Centre, both survived).

On 1 October 2005 at 6:50 p.m. in Bali, two explosions caused by suicide bombers ripped through a Jimbaran Beach food court, and a third bomber struck at 7 p.m. in the main square of central Kuta. Unlike in previous attacks, many of the casualties sustained shrapnel injuries as well as injuries due to ball bearings, suggesting a different modus operandi for the bombers. The final death toll was 20, and another 129 were injured

Pics: this is article describing importance of what was learn about treating burn victims after Indonesian terrorist attacks.

EFFORTPOST 'Chechclear' unclear story, going back to 2000 book

I know you mostly saw it, I know it's widely-covered... but apparently rarely also covered with more details and not being YT video. TL;DR: the one 'new' lead is only newly surfaced (info was in book from 2000), and comes from the same source as only 'official' mentions of chechclear we knew we had. Apart from this one, most of content relating to chechclear is either irrelevant or vague. Many of these explanations are still 'alive' since at least 2004.

Thanks @Balls444 for hints! ;] We had a post describing what I included in first section here, now deleted (account banned). Research credits for that go to Reddit user thecupfrom2girls1cup, who did a good job. From what he wrote, his findings weren't mentioned in that WPD post as his. He recently commented on disapproval of both that deleted WPD post and its author (for various reasons). That's why I mention that nickname right at the beginning.


Chechclear is linked to a series of executions from Chechnya, not videotaped. It's 1998 case of abduction and execution of foreign engineers - one from New Zealand, three British. They were kidnapped by Arbi Barayev (nicknamed Terminator) and his man. At the time they were also holding captive Andrei Tedyev (Андрей Тедеев probably) - around 24 yo gangster involved in oil smuggling. Kidnapped engineers weren't sure about how serious Barayev is, so Andrei got slaughtered as a proof that these Chechen kidnappers aren't joking. Here's the case itself, if you're interested in something not gory:

Stillshots from chechclear were shown in Чечня. Белая книга, or 'Chechenya. White Book' (in some catalogues it's 'White Paper'), 2nd volume. That monograph on Chechen war was published in 2000. Above link between 1998 incident and chechclear also comes from this book. I previously knew about the photos without Reddit, but didn't go through few hundred pages of text because of quite low Russian language skills. This story was first given wider attention on Reddit by user thecupfrom2girls1cup, with whose help this video was made: (this is just YouTube front-end, for these 'not gonna clicking that'). He also shared research on other videos with Disturbed Reality.

Here are stillshots:

Description says:

Another one documenting video made by killers themselves. This is how non-humans dealt with those who got into their hands. According to data from Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, 1815 people were abducted in Chechnya between 1992 and 2000. Bandit groups specializing in taking hostages were led mainly by former commanders - Basayev, Hattab, Barayev, Umarov, Bakyev and Ahmadov brothers.

Video for reference:

Here's longer comment from thecupfrom2girls1cup I recommend reading it, he did really good job - including reaching out people directly involved in some events in Chechnya and mentioned book's author - and describes why he still isn't 100% sure about victim identity.

⠀⠀EARLY SPECULATIONS - FROM 1999 TO 2006 (until Ogrish went down) :marseyquestion:

Now, online speculations time. I've found mentions of chechclear in very few articles - without name, but either described enough to be sure or undetailed, but likely matching (time, context). They were analizing extremism-related beheading videos being released online as a phenomenon etc. However, I won't link them as despite they were technically scientific articles there was nothing for confirmation. So no valuable info.

One comment from Ogrish - by user Hugh.G.Rection, 4th of November 2004 - was source of reportedly correct story for years. It still is mentioned in various videos, up to 2022. Link at the end:

Although this has been mentioned in passing before, I thought I'd take this opportunity to restate that the Chechen guerilla featured cutting the head off the Russian soldier in the infamous <chechclear> clip is named Salautdin Temirbulatov.</chechclear>

Temirbulatov, notorious in Chechnya for brutality practiced towards POWs, was arrested on 20th March, 2000. In 1996 Russia's office of prosecutor general charged him with murder and banditry, and on 15th February, 2001, Temirbulatov was indicted on charges of torture and murder. Presiding Judge Mukhamed Olmezov said Temirbulatov was "exceptionally dangerous for society" and that he "deserves the death penalty." But citing a decision by Russia's Constitutional Court that only juries can impose the death penalty, Olmezov sentenced Temirbulatov to life in prison.

The <chechclear> clip is one of three executions carried out on the same day by Temirbulatov. Russian secret services have a video tape filming the questioning of four Russian servicemen outside the town of Komsomolskoye on April 12, 1996. Temirbulatov himself shot two of them and then cut the throat of the third serviceman, an un-named 18 year-old conscript to the Russian army.</chechclear>

According to Russia's Channel 2, the clip was bought in September 1999 by the Russian media. Channel 2 was the only station to air this clip in its entirety.

The full video begins with a bearded Chechen guerrilla (Temirbulatov) kneeling on the back of a panicked 18 year-old Russian soldier. There then follows the bloody action that we see in "our" clip. The grotesque video ends with Temirbulatov holding the severed head up to the camera, laughing.

I wanted to trace down earliest possible mention, problem is: Russia didn't have Channel 2 in 1999. Россия-2 didn't exist back then. It may be reference to Россия-1 (Russia-1), as it's Channel 2 in DDTV system and some former names match. I didn't see any specific mention on what documentary it was. Short version with cuts - so longest we currently have - was included in documentary Чечня ХХ век. Террор. Все за други своя ('Chechnya, 20th century. Terror. All for your friends'), but it's 2001 movie. It also depicted other known scenes, including OFEX.

What versions we had that could be better-known (on websites that were popular, not every possible to find)?

Quoting same comment from thecup...:

I have never seen a 5 min version, but there is a slightly longer version that was passed around on KaZaa called 01_5.mpg that was merged with a quick clip of the treestump video. It WAS available on ogrish at one stage.

That's true, but also trace is still available (links at the end). At last in April 2001 there were 2 versions of chechclear on Ogrish:

  1. 01_5.mpg as a link to file hosted on (1.3 MB)

  2. longer black and white version, cutthroat.asf (381 kB)

KaZaa probably had the first file from the same website. It started in March 2001, and first online mention I've found with link to 01_5.mpg is from February 2001.

Fun fact: 01_5.mpg possibly got someone into trouble, as New Zealand's Office of Film and Literature Classification in 2009 added it to register. Tl;dr: because it 'promotes and supports the infliction of extreme violence and extreme cruelty' and other bullshit you know because of Christchurch video and NZ gov drama.

Among other versions was e.g. 'Unknown Russian soldier' (hosted on Nausea, mentioned on Ogrish forum) - shortened, black and white, around 8 seconds of actual gore. You can find it, and more Chechen clips, here (it's index of files). I've came across another one described only as 'Unknown Russian soldier' which was, like 01_5.mpg, poor-quality Chechclear fragment and tree stump execution. Filename was different, I randomly found it and deleted about week or two ago, didn't know it's something 'lost'/rare (

Chechclear.asf was 1.17 MB video considered best version available on Ogrish (you have it in this post unwatermarked).

⠀⠀RANDOM COMMENTS :marseyunamused:

Post didn't include most prominent false leads, which I may change in some edit, if you're interested. People were messing this case up with Tukchar massacre or OFEX at least from 2004, and combining that with unrelated Yevgeny Rodionov death and 'people who remember a bit longer version'. Same goes for WarLord47 contributions on LiveLeak and search for alleged longer version, apart from how valid reason would it be to take any gore stuff down because of DMCA. It seems it'd be possible to make post about things being anything but chechclear.

In 2009, now non-existent website jArchive (Jihad Archive) posted full version of Tukhchar, apparently unwatermarked. Original links to don't work anymore, only few re-uploads exist.

The good-quality version was first posted on LL by WarLord47, so I guess they could have got it from there. I think if it was in the most viewed (or viewed now) category, then if that legendary longer chechclear was uploaded they should get it, and for sure it would be top few watched videos. Especially that website is from around 2010, so already it was well-known video.

After going through multiple Ogrish forum threads (can link some archived in comments), and not only, it seems that:

  1. In 2004 people already were 'remembering they saw a longer version' (more than ~20 seconds at max), but not providing any proofs. It means that's going on for nearly 20 years now, and at least to 2022 still no one claimed the same, but with giving proofs.

  2. Speculations about connections to events from 12th of April 1996 were made independently or roughly at the same time as the now best-known 2004 post from Hugh.G.Rection.

  3. Although this post mentioned specific time and channel, others' posts mentioned belief about full version stored somewhere in Russian archives. It means: that belief apparently is still alive nearly 20 years later, but it could appear separately from above-mentioned post. Few storylines seem to be half a legend, for which people later were just finding 'confirmations', despite they emerged from other .

⠀⠀SOURCES (skipped some) :marseysalutepride:

Reddit comments linked in text.

  1. White Book - pirated, obviously ;]

  2. (linked forum post: ) - here is description of what was considered to be most accurate background(s) for chechclear, but actually wasn't. So other scenarios/speculations for interested ones, not included in post as basically it's story of everything but chechclear.

  3. Early mentiones, February/April 2001: and

  4. Widely quoted posts from Hugh.G.Rection

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